Merged The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

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halleyscomet said:
Are we sure he's not a Christian? I saw behavior like that from most the Christians I knew growing up. Creationists in particular.
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I've seen it in a number of fringe claimants, religious and secular. Among them it seems believed that it's a given that secular science, history, etc. support their beliefs even if they themselves don't rightly understand how. In this case, Emre sees a site that purports to make an argument in his favor using knowledge he doesn't natively understand. But he trusts the site and supposes that his opponents will be similarly hobbled by ignorance and must therefore respect what it says. For a secular example, consider some of the pseudo-engineering arguments proposed in 9/11 debates. And yes, I have seen such cargo-cult science used by Creationists too, as you note. I just don't believe it's unique to them, such that we can tar Emre with the brush of being secretly Christian.
 
JayUtah said:
I just don't believe it's unique to them, such that we can tar Emre with the brush of being secretly Christian.
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My apologies. I was trying to be facetious with my comment. I was not trying to seriously imply she/he/ze/they were a secret Christian. I was trying to mock their unthinking parroting of the flawed and ignorant claims of others.
 
Ultimately this thread has boiled down to one person with no demonstrable comprehension of comparative religion listing differences between the Koran and the Bible and declaring victory, despite having given no objective evidence to support either text. We might as well be discussing if the DC or Marvel cosmology are better suited to storytelling.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"To Fast

Contradiction; Fasting is for three weeks (Daniel 10:2-3) Vs Fasting is for forty days (Deuteronomy 9:9-18, Matthew 4:1-2)

There is no consistent standard or time frame taught in the Bible. It is obvious that many of the Prophets in the Bible fasted, hence we must “be like them” but no clear guidance is within the Bible as to how long to fast.

Excuse; None available.

Correction: Unlike the Bible, the Holy Quran specifies the period for fasting as being one month:

“Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Quran, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” (Quran 2:185)

Thus, the Holy Quran clarifies the standard date, time, reason, and method of fasting, unlike the Bible."

http://islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/
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Except your stupid ass god and his sick freak prophet failed to take into account people who live in complete light or complete darkness for months of the year in or near the Arctic Circle. And why should people fast to amuse your god? What kind of a dick tells people not to drink water in a desert? Your god is an *******.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"Joseph’s Prophecy

Contradiction; The Bible manifests an unfulfilled prophecy concerning Joseph’s dream;

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http://islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/
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Having compared the bible story of Joseph in the bibles Genesis with the Quran, I can just about follow the story as described in sura 12. But as far as I can see, anyone who did not know the Genesis story could not possibly make sense of the tale of Joseph, as told in the Quran.

In the bible books of Genesis from chapter thirty seven to chapter fifty. the entire fourteen chapters are about Joseph. There are four hundred and fifty verses about the story in the bible, but in the quran sura 12 there are only one hundred and eleven verses.

The quranic version of the bible story of Joseph is a mumbling, incoherent, ill considered, and inaccurate muddle, and it does not even tell you who Joseph is. It just launches into Josephs dream at verse 4, after three verses that attempt to explain the story is being revealed in Arabic, presumably to make it available to Arabs.

The entire sura is peppered with completely unnecessary references to Allah which clutter the narrative, if you can call it a narrative. Because the bible story is clear and lucid, and rich in detail, and it has a comprehensible flow to it.


Sura 12.4 launches into a description of Josephs dream, with no explanation of who he is or how many brothers he has. What is more the dream described is the second of two dreams that are told in Genesis. But the entire point of the dream is that the eleven stars bowing down to Joseph are his eleven brothers. Genesis explains Josephs family tree so you can realize this, but the Quran says nothing about the matter. The Genesis story also says that Jacob made a coat of many colours for Joseph, and that is why his brothers were jealous of him, but the quran gives no reason or motives for Josephs brothers to hate him. Nor does it explain that Joseph has one other brother named Benjamin who had the same mother as himself, but the other ten brothers are step brothers. Nor does sura 12 explain this issue at any time, including when Joseph sends for him from Egypt.

So when Josephs brothers state at sura 12.8 When they said:" Verily Joseph and his brother are dearer to our father than we are, many though we be. Lo! our father is in plain aberration":
This makes absolutely no sense whatever to anyone that has not read the full account in Genesis.

Later in the story Joseph is put in power in Egypt, but sura 12 says nothing about him filling the granaries for seven years, it simply changes the subject to when his brothers amble into Egypt to trade, (sura 12.58) and it does not explain they are there because it is now during the seven years of famine. Then Joseph ask his brothers to send for a brother of who is a son of their father, this again makes no sense without an explanation of the family background.

How much more obvious can it be that the Quran is plagiarism, and it was taken from the Bible and other earlier sources. It is clear to me that Muhammad had Genesis read to him and sura 12 is his half remembered rehash of the story of Joseph.
 
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The antagonists in this thread are perfectly matched. As it says in Sura 123.34, the Bag, "Withdraw, ye faithfulists. Armageddipop is joined! Wah!"

Just so you know.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"Joseph’s Prophecy

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Isn’t there a forum rule against copying and pasting large blocks of text available elsewhere?

Emre_1974tr isn’t engaging in any kind of discussion. They’re just copying and pasting large blocks of text they’ve already proven they don’t understand. I’m tempted to start copying and pasting large blocks of text from Harry Potter fan-fiction and claiming it corrects the mistakes in JKR’s books. As long as I ignore most replies and insult anyone who I DO respond to I’d be doing a damn good impression of Emre_1974tr.
 
I agree. Emre_1974tr does not engage in debate. He only copies his stuff so that it will pop up in search results.
 
Numerology garbage.

" I will demonstrate many reproducible evidences based on the codings of its text over number 19, which could only be realized and tested practically by the invention of computers."

"Also, this book uses the full text of Quran that was written in Arabic from the very beginning in 632 and all Muslims keep currently as printed in their homes or can buy from any bookstore or can access from any website about Quran. I declare here that I did not change or manipulated any part of Quran not even any of the letters of the original text. Therefore, this book has no relation to the early attempts on 19 based coding claims on the text of Quran, where acclaimed authors, unfortunately, manipulated parts of the text to end up with their own made up 19 system, which was unacceptable regarding data analysis. Because, once the text is manipulated to show the computed numbers match to 19, then it is not the evidence of the original text anymore but the numerology study of the manipulators. In the end, it is no surprise to get a desired result by manipulating any data! "
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
Reproducible Miracle



https://bookdown.org/gokmenaltay19/...7kCwGmrJgt4NYfLWLkKkXJ1S9HFkmUiPg_3R_GxJEFgdk
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Seriously?

Seriously?

Every half-assed conspiracy theorists can cook up far more convincing “proofs” of Illuminati conspiracies with the daily news.

“Truthers” claiming the 9/11 attacks were holograms make a better argument than you do.

There’s an entire genre of Bible apologetic writing using similar arguments to “Prove” the Christian Bible is “true.”
 
Number 19 theory. Isn't that Rashad Khalifa's pet theory? If so he altered the Quran by leaving out two verses, because they did not fit his theory.
Khalifa was accused of molesting a girl on the pretext of feeling her aura, and he was ultimately killed by Muslims for blasphemy.
 
Agreed: numerology garbage. I've programmed very powerful computers to "discover" allegedly statistical patterns in texts in all the languages I'm competent with. I never fail to find one, regardless of the supposed religious or philosophical significance of the text. I've found a surprising number of words describing genitalia in the U.S. Constitution using the techniques these religious pseudo-scientists employ.
 
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