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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

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lionking said:
I said this earlier in this thread, but for those with short attention spans, the idea that you have to live off the grid, cycle everywhere and grow your own food before being allowed to comment on climate change is ridiculous.
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I don't think that's quite what we are talking about, though. Many of us are fully on board with reducing carbon footprints, energy efficiency, and consumption/resource conservation.

But we are also done sounding the alarm and are interested in the 'how' of fixing the problem. Preaching the same old song while working in reverse (as Greta's posse unwittingly did) is a tune we are bored with.

Showboating is in the rear view mirror. Time to get to work.
 
theprestige said:
Indeed. And what are we to make of someone who is a vehement Greta promoter, but also indulges in luxury air travel on a regular basis?
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"Greta! Greta! She's our girl!
She told us to save the world!"

*audience respectfully claps, and gets in their new car to make vacation reservations on their new iPhones*
 
Thermal said:
And from whom exactly did Greta get this information? Graybeards, who put in years of research. Or are you assuming the Teenybopper Climate Council is her source of this 'new' research?

If kids are convinced that other children are the ones with the answers ( providing no actual work or insight of their own), we do indeed have a knucklehead problem in the up and coming generation.
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Of course she did. And these greybeards are the people she is telling other young people to listen to for the facts. And other young people are listening to them for the facts because Thunberg tells them to, not because some other greybeard tells them to.

Thunberg does not claim to be the one with the facts. Her consistent message is listen to the scientists. This message is getting through to the younger folks much better than it is to the old farts in this thread.
 
cullennz said:
And the vast majority of these kids will leave school, get jobs and money. Buy a house, slogging their **** off to pay the subsequent bills, knock out loads of carbon spewing kids, work out you can use the money to go on a plane to a holiday for the whole family, and Greta becomes a memory from childhood years ago, in a viral video, before they watched that funny cat one.
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No they won't because if climate change continues as it is, unabated, a lot of those kids will not have the opportunity to do a lot of those things. You really do come across as a short-sighted denier sometimes.
 
Thermal said:
I don't think that's quite what we are talking about, though. Many of us are fully on board with reducing carbon footprints, energy efficiency, and consumption/resource conservation.

But we are also done sounding the alarm and are interested in the 'how' of fixing the problem. Preaching the same old song while working in reverse (as Greta's posse unwittingly did) is a tune we are bored with.

Showboating is in the rear view mirror. Time to get to work.
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I repeat. Thunbergs main audience is young people who are learning the real facts about climate change for the first time. These people have not had the opportunity to do the things that you are doing, and will not have if climate continues to change at the same rate. All your comments seem geared toward denying the younger generations the knowledge and ability to help determine their own future. Is this really your intention? Your message seems to be something like "I know all about this so nobody else needs to bother". Complacency at its most dangerous.
 
Steve said:
Of course she did. And these greybeards are the people she is telling other young people to listen to for the facts. And other young people are listening to them for the facts because Thunberg tells them to, not because some other greybeard tells them to.

Thunberg does not claim to be the one with the facts. Her consistent message is listen to the scientists. This message is getting through to the younger folks much better than it is to the old farts in this thread.
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Ok, her contribution is to discover what almost every adult has known for years?

What's going to happen when she finds out about sex?

"Guys guys guys! I just found out that when you manipulate the genitals! It is totally awesome! Stage a student walkout and make reservations at the UN!"

Seriously, everything is news to a kid. If they haven't figured out by their teen years to value existing science, they are knuckleheads. If adults are still rejecting the science, they are committed, willful knuckleheads.
 
Kids learn by the examples their parents display in daily life.
The parents set basic rules and the kids follow in other cases.

Where conservative water use is important people have been going through life doing certain actions, the.only example those kids know. Power usage or fuel in a car, it's just repeating with a different backdrop. Reduced consumption, the 3R stuff, it all goes to fighting climate change eventually.

Eleven thousand scientists can't be all wrong, after all.
Parents show kids lifetime habits that are likely to be repeated the next generation. My wife and I have changed our habits some to show our son it works. But we still have some bad habits we aren't giving up anytime soon. That nightlight in the hallway and the big refrigerator we had to have aren't helping, motorised transport is still being used and no plans to end that.

He knows nothing of Greta yet gets pushed to do the good things we do. And I can happily say we have become better at this stuff than my parents, or even ourselves a decade ago.

No denial changes are happening here, no chicken little panic to undo our entire lifestyle. Just like even the Greta fans in this thread.
 
Thermal said:
Ok, her contribution is to discover what almost every adult has known for years?
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No, her contribution is to convince other kids to start listening to adults - the right ones - far earlier than kids usually begin to do so.
 
cullennz said:
And the vast majority of these kids will leave school, get jobs and money. Buy a house, slogging their **** off to pay the subsequent bills, knock out loads of carbon spewing kids, work out you can use the money to go on a plane to a holiday for the whole family, and Greta becomes a memory from childhood years ago, in a viral video, before they watched that funny cat one.
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I think you're vastly underestimating the impact that Thunberg has had on these kids, and the life choices they will make as they grow older and become part of society. Do you really think that an impressionable teenager can be part of this movement, and when they turn 18 suddenly forget all of that and make the same bad decisions we did?
 
arthwollipot said:
I think you're vastly underestimating the impact that Thunberg has had on these kids, and the life choices they will make as they grow older and become part of society...
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Also being underestimated is the effect climate change is already having. Polling has shown, most people under age 35 expect some bad stuff to happen in the years ahead. Many believe they can already see a decline in quality of life. I'm well over 35 and I see it too. Battling something like climate change is one of the prime reasons for having government. This meme that if people would just ride a bike to work climate change will go away is ridiculous. This isn't a problem we can solve one concerned citizen at a time.
 
arthwollipot said:
I think you're vastly underestimating the impact that Thunberg has had on these kids, and the life choices they will make as they grow older and become part of society. Do you really think that an impressionable teenager can be part of this movement, and when they turn 18 suddenly forget all of that and make the same bad decisions we did?
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Of course they'll forget it and make the same choices "we" did. We had all the science yet look what's happened because we all said to ourselves. Climate Change ? That's something for my government to worry about and I want my flights to Hawaii.

We had a local news article last week about a high school group who couldn't go on their cruise to Antarctica because the cruise line they were going to use went bust. The cruise line going bust was the only reason the story hit the news in the first place because parents were concerned about loosing the thousands of dollars they'd paid for their kids to go on that cruise.

I wonder how many of those kids went to see Thunberg's speech in Vancouver ?

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Stout said:
Of course they'll forget it and make the same choices "we" did. We had all the science yet look what's happened because we all said to ourselves. Climate Change ? That's something for my government to worry about and I want my flights to Hawaii.
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"We" didn't have Greta.
 
Steve said:
No they won't because if climate change continues as it is, unabated, a lot of those kids will not have the opportunity to do a lot of those things. You really do come across as a short-sighted denier sometimes.
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So now there will be no planes or houses in 10-15 years?

Shocking
 
arthwollipot said:
I think you're vastly underestimating the impact that Thunberg has had on these kids, and the life choices they will make as they grow older and become part of society. Do you really think that an impressionable teenager can be part of this movement, and when they turn 18 suddenly forget all of that and make the same bad decisions we did?
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Speak for yourself.

Don't include me in any bad decisions you think you have made
 
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arthwollipot said:
I think you're vastly underestimating the impact that Thunberg has had on these kids, and the life choices they will make as they grow older and become part of society. Do you really think that an impressionable teenager can be part of this movement, and when they turn 18 suddenly forget all of that and make the same bad decisions we did?
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I think many of the intentional obtuse comments in this thread are intended to display wit. Unfortunately those posters come across as having much less maturity than the young people that they they are so poorly criticizing.

All this talk about the young people reverting to the same poor environmental practices as their parent shows they are completely oblivious to the environmental advances that each generation realizes. Environmental protection is much advanced over 20 years ago, and in 2000 was much advanced over 1980.
 
cullennz said:
Speak for yourself.

Don't include me in any bad decisions you think you have made
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Ooh, touchy. Of course your environmental decisions are all at the epitome of virtue. The Saint Cullennz of the environment. Well done, that man!

You indignation is almost as pathetic as your wit.
 
Stout said:
Of course they'll forget it and make the same choices "we" did. We had all the science yet look what's happened because we all said to ourselves. Climate Change ? That's something for my government to worry about and I want my flights to Hawaii.

We had a local news article last week about a high school group who couldn't go on their cruise to Antarctica because the cruise line they were going to use went bust. The cruise line going bust was the only reason the story hit the news in the first place because parents were concerned about loosing the thousands of dollars they'd paid for their kids to go on that cruise.

I wonder how many of those kids went to see Thunberg's speech in Vancouver ?
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Maybe all, maybe some, maybe none. You may note that the article referred to exactly 10 Vancouver area students, and that none of them provided any opinion in the article. It’s almost as if there is zero connection between this article and Greta Thunberg.

Additionally, how many months before Thunberg”s appearance do you suppose the parents have to book and pay for the trip? Do you suppose the students might have learned new information about the causes of climate change between the booking and now?
 
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