Fascist infighting: Milo publishes Richard Spencer slur-filled rant

[BStrong]

If these two ******** held hands and jumped off a cliff it would be a great day for America.

 

[Belz...]

If these two ******** held hands and jumped off a cliff it would be a great day for America.

I'm not sure I'd rate Milo anywhere near as bad as Spencer, though.

 

[Horatius]

I'm not sure I'd rate Milo anywhere near as bad as Spencer, though.

Yeah, but if you're going to flush the toilet anyways, you might as well get rid of the little turds as well as the big ones.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Yeah, but if you're going to flush the toilet anyways, you might as well get rid of the little turds as well as the big ones.

This thread is getting more erotic by the hour!

 

[Mumbles]

More infighting, and this article states that the recent airing of dirty laundry is part of a longer feud going on within the far right.

Spencer's right hand man has been doxxed. Apparently doxxing their own people is the weapon of choice for these goons when it comes to fighting among themselves.

Well, when your followers are murderous even towards trivial attributes like religion or skin color, guess how they they treat perceived betrayers to their "cause".

I'm not sure I'd rate Milo anywhere near as bad as Spencer, though.

Eh. One's a truly genocidal megalomaniac, the other simply wishes to whip up genocidal idiots to line his pockets. What's the real difference?

 

[Belz...]

Eh. One's a truly genocidal megalomaniac, the other simply wishes to whip up genocidal idiots to line his pockets. What's the real difference?

One of them is not a genocidal maniac.

 

[BStrong]

Yeah, but if you're going to flush the toilet anyways, you might as well get rid of the little turds as well as the big ones.

^Bingo!^

 

[TragicMonkey]

One of them is not a genocidal maniac.

From some perspectives that makes that one worse, as he hasn't even sincerity in believing something dreadful.

 

[Mumbles]

One of them is not a genocidal maniac.

And?

Let's say that him and his white nationalists were like any other pack of powerless lunatics. They show up to events, rant and rave, and everyone simply ignores them.

So? That's the Black Israelites, or people who sneak off every now and then to put on robes and burn a cross deep in the woods. Unless you let them get to you emotionally, those guys can be safely ignored.

Now, let's say the same for Milo Yeahimasnitch. No college tours, no doxxing or death threats against women game devs or anything.

Again, who cares?

Instead, both are given major political and media platforms to spread their hateful message around. One goes on CNN, one goes on HBO, both are given softball interviews. One uses a famous white nationalist website to hype up the other's genocidal movement, and sees his boss become a White House senior adviser. And of course, both have been tied to at least one attempted murder by their followers.

Again, why should we care about the distinction here, as far as politics go? Yes, I'll care if I'm diagnosing their mental illnesses or some such, but aside from that, who cares?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

And?

Let's say that him and his white nationalists werre like any other pack of powerless lunatics. ZTHey show up to events, rant and rave, and everyone simply ignores them.

So? That's the Black Israelites.

Now, let's say the same for Milo Yeahimasnitch. No college tours, no doxxing or death threats against women game devs or anything.

Again, who cares?

Instead, both are given major political and media platforms to spread their hateful message around. One goes on CNN, one goes on HBO, both are given softball interviews. One uses a famous white nationalist website to hype up the other's genocidal movement, and sees his boss become a White House senior adviser. And of course, both have been tied to at least one attempted murder by their followers.

Again, why should we care about the distinction here, as far as politics go? Yes, I'll care if I'm diagnosing their mental illnesses or some such, but aside from that, who cares?

I have to agree. At some point, the abhorrence meter is just saturated. Sure, someone like Spencer, who is an explicit ethno-nationalist, is probably worse than an opportunistic far-right grifter like Milo, but both are extreme enough that the difference really isn't that significant.

Both of them are utter turds and unredeemable. I celebrate both becoming public disgraces, hoping that either will not longer be as effective in spreading fascism and other far-right radicalism.

 

[Belz...]

And?

You asked for a difference. I think it makes a significant difference if one wants to exterminate other humans, and the other not.

Don't you? How abhorrent must someone's ideas be before that person is the equivalent of Hitler, to you?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

You asked for a difference. I think it makes a significant difference if one wants to exterminate other humans, and the other not.

Don't you? How abhorrent must someone's ideas be before that person is the equivalent of Hitler, to you?

Some are more open about their beliefs than others. Plenty of them play games, masking some of the more extreme views in order to pander to a wider public. Grifters like Milo stick more to dogwhistling and tiptoeing around the edges open fascism, but I don't really see that as being meaningfully less extreme. They all play their part in incremental radicalization.

Pure Nazis, PR-sensitive nazis, the difference is practical, not ideological.

 

[Belz...]

Some are more open about their beliefs than others. Plenty of them play games, masking some of the more extreme views in order to pander to a wider public. Grifters like Milo stick more to dogwhistling and tiptoeing around the edges open fascism, but I don't really see that as being meaningfully less extreme. They all play their part in incremental radicalization.

Pure Nazis, PR-sensitive nazis, the difference is practical, not ideological.

I have to admit I'm not greatly acquainted with Milo's ideology, mostly because he usually annoys me, but what it is specifically that makes you think he's of the same cloth as Spencer?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I have to admit I'm not greatly acquainted with Milo's ideology, mostly because he usually annoys me, but what it is specifically that makes you think he's of the same cloth as Spencer?

I see him as being among the wider group of the alt-right community, in which ethno-nationalists are only one faction.

The alt-right is littered with transitional figures, people like Milo, Stefan Molyneux, Tucker Carlson, Proud Boys, etc. They aren't quite open nazis, but they traffic in the adjacent ideologies like misogyny, transphobia, homophobia, racism, anti-semitism, or just general provocation. They dog whistle and wink at the audience, drawing them further down the path of right wing radicalization.

These people are all fellow travelers, their frequent run-ins together aren't coincidence.

Milo's career at Breitbart was largely as a mechanism to launder and mainstream nationalism and other far right ideologies. Buzzfeed has an excellent article detailing how Milo regularly collaborated with folks from the extreme right while producing watered-down nationalism for the general public:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism

Ironically enough, Milo seemed to have struggled to solidify his place among the alt-right, seemingly because many saw his an an unreliable, opportunistic grifter that wasn't committed to the cause.

 

[Belz...]

Ironically enough, Milo seemed to have struggled to solidify his place among the alt-right, seemingly because many saw his an an unreliable, opportunistic grifter that wasn't committed to the cause.

That alone should put him in another category.

I get that he holds abhorrent views but I seriously disagree that not-genocide and genocide are indistinguishable.

 

[dudalb]

More infighting, and this article states that the recent airing of dirty laundry is part of a longer feud going on within the far right.

Spencer's right hand man has been doxxed. Apparently doxxing their own people is the weapon of choice for these goons when it comes to fighting among themselves.

https://itsgoingdown.org/alt-right-trolls-just-doxxed-richard-spencers-right-hand-man-hypnotist-guitarist-in-woke-band/

As far as I can tell, there is a rift opening among the fascists between the Richard Spencer faction and the Nick Fuentes faction, largely due to support of Trump and the old "optics vs purity" conflict. I fully expect more doxxing and nastiness between these fine folks. It's a damn shame.

Yeah, in the extreme right, there is constant splintering because everybody wants to be the Fuehrer.
And it is not just the Neo Nazis. The KKK types are just the same. You have around a dozen differend Klan organization out there, each proclaiming themselves to be the one and only true Klan.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

That alone should put him in another category.

I get that he holds abhorrent views but I seriously disagree that not-genocide and genocide are indistinguishable.

Milo has spent his career advancing the ideologies in which genocide is the logical conclusion. He hasn't explicitly advocated a policy of genocide, but the reasonable conclusion is that he is at least tolerant of the idea.

You can't assess these people's statement in a vacuum. Milo collaborates and mainstreams neo-nazism, he just takes efforts to hide it more than someone like Spencer.

 

[dudalb]

I see I am not the only one to think of "The Avengers" when watching Spencer's "King of the F----g World" rant. A number of people, in comments section on Spencer's tirade, have posted the video of Loke "Pathetic lost creature" and the Hulk's ragdolling of him that followed.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I see I am not the only one to think of "The Avengers" when watching Spencer's "King of the F----g World" rant. A number of people, in comments section on Spencer's tirade, have posted the video of Loke "Pathetic lost creature" and the Hulk's ragdolling of him that followed.

Spencer's rant is largely consistent with my own view of the recent history of the alt-right as a political force. The murder at Charlottesville was a disaster for the alt-right and probably marks the high-water mark for their movement. Spencer is correct to be upset.

The salt is delicious.

 

[Mumbles]

Milo has spent his career advancing the ideologies in which genocide is the logical conclusion. He hasn't explicitly advocated a policy of genocide, but the reasonable conclusion is that he is at least tolerant of the idea.

You can't assess these people's statement in a vacuum. Milo collaborates and mainstreams neo-nazism, he just takes efforts to hide it more than someone like Spencer.

Co-Sign. Basically, he's the guy saying "What? White nationalists? Those guys aren't a factor. Now let's all attack Leslie Jones with racial slurs because she was in the latest Ghostbusters movie. Isn't it weird how these trannies and blacks seem to be taking over everything and pushing you out, my cis white male friends?"