Rep. Katie Hill announces resignation

[Stacyhs]

Question, if it's okay: Did you call the cops? What was the outcome? I'm not being critical here, but I've always felt that women who choose not to report assaults -- especially by strangers, as opposed to situations that could be reduced to "he said, she said" -- are putting other women at risk. What you're describing could have gone much worse, and it might well have turned out much worse for the guy's next target if he wasn't caught.

When he jumped out of the car, I immediately drove to the entrance of the club and informed the bouncers standing there. They started an immediate search and found no one. I didn't report it to police because I could never have identified him other than being African American. I didn't notice how old he was, what clothing he was wearing, etc. It happened so fast, and I reacted with extreme anger instead of fear which probably saved me. This was decades ago, pre-DNA.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Something might not be morally wrong but still be very stupid...something you just don't seem able to get.

I mean, it in all likelihood it was her husband that leaked the images. Sharing racy pics with a spouse doesn't really strike me as a particularly risky endeavor. Very stupid is really exaggerating the risk that she took here.

This isn't some reckless person sending pics and videos to untrustworthy partners she barely knows and will be gone tomorrow, it was her husband. The fact that they became public is only due to his very extreme breach of that marital privacy.

A jilted spouse went on the warpath and decided to betray marital confidence says little about the victim of such disclosures and a lot about the abusive spouse.

 

[applecorped]

If a man had done this there would be nobody supporting him here, unless he was a Democrat

 

[TurkeysGhost]

This is going to be the really interesting part.

here it comes, baby!

The editor of RedState Media, which published the revenge porn of Rep. Hill, was slated to be the campaign manager of an intended Republican challenger for the seat. That role never materialized and the challenger, Suzette Valladares, is pursuing a different elected position.

The rat-**** that the right is pulling here is far outshining the sexual impropriety that Hill took with her subordinates. I wonder if she'll decide to revoke her resignation.

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/redstate-editor-who-published-revenge-porn-of-congresswoman-has-ties-to-political-opponent/

 

[TragicMonkey]

If a man had done this there would be nobody supporting him here, unless he was a Democrat

Like the support Al Franken got?

 

[Donal]

I think he means well known Democrat, Donald Trump.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Blame them? No. But do you think it was a smart decision by the woman to walk down a dark alley alone at night in a bad neighborhood?

Yep women should also know better than to drink alcohol, or associate with men. If they just stopped the last think how few rapes there would be. If you choose to continue to associate with men, well these things happen.

That was the SMART thing to do.

Yep go out to clubs and those kind of things happen, leaving the house is the first mistake.

Learn the difference between blaming the victim and recognizing we need to make smart decisions in order to help protect ourselves. And NOT making sex videos is one of those smart decisions.

Like going out to clubs is also a often a first mistake.

This is victim blaming, focusing on what to do to avoid being a victim and ignoring the perpetrators is victim blaming. She should really have known better than to have a sex life at all. I mean what if her husband secretly recorded her, and released it as revenge porn, of course that would be a failure of her to be sufficiently careful at avoiding being recorded.

Where does focusing on what the victim could have done to prevent something instead of focusing on the perpetrator become silly instead of pragmatic?

Why was the focus not more on why Brock Turners victim shouldn't have drunk that much alcohol?

 

[applecorped]

here it comes, baby!

The editor of RedState Media, which published the revenge porn of Rep. Hill, was slated to be the campaign manager of an intended Republican challenger for the seat. That role never materialized and the challenger, Suzette Valladares, is pursuing a different elected position.

The rat-**** that the right is pulling here is far outshining the sexual impropriety that Hill took with her subordinates. I wonder if she'll decide to revoke her resignation.

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/redstate-editor-who-published-revenge-porn-of-congresswoman-has-ties-to-political-opponent/

nope

 

[JoeMorgue]

Brainster's post summarized: As a person in the public eye ("any kind of personal fame"), don't be surprised if your naked pictures make their way to the public because people can be arses and do bad things as many, many such cases have demonstrated.

Yeah so again, it's your fault for being famous. Like I said. Glad to know I was right.

I think my "reading comprehension" is just fine.

 

[angrysoba]

I mean, it in all likelihood it was her husband that leaked the images. Sharing racy pics with a spouse doesn't really strike me as a particularly risky endeavor. Very stupid is really exaggerating the risk that she took here.

This isn't some reckless person sending pics and videos to untrustworthy partners she barely knows and will be gone tomorrow, it was her husband. The fact that they became public is only due to his very extreme breach of that marital privacy.

A jilted spouse went on the warpath and decided to betray marital confidence says little about the victim of such disclosures and a lot about the abusive spouse.

Yep. This is my view too.

 

[Ziggurat]

I mean, it in all likelihood it was her husband that leaked the images. Sharing racy pics with a spouse doesn't really strike me as a particularly risky endeavor.

It is if you can't trust that spouse. Given her apparent attitude about marriage, I'm not really surprised that it turns out she couldn't.

A jilted spouse went on the warpath and decided to betray marital confidence says little about the victim of such disclosures and a lot about the abusive spouse.

Sure. The text messages say quite a bit about her, though, and plenty of it isn't good.

 

[Donal]

On this we agree.

And yet, you are hung up on calling her wrong for taking intimate pictures with her husband and partner rather than calling him out for committing a felony

Blame them? No. But do you think it was a smart decision by the woman to walk down a dark alley alone at night in a bad neighborhood?

So, you aren't blaming them, but you are holding them responsible for the crimes of another? What precisely do you think blaming is?

When I was about 22, I walked to my car alone where I'd parked on street late at night after leaving a club. No street lamps, etc. Some guy jumped into my car as I got in and tried to stuff a rag into my mouth. Luckily, I was able to fight him off and the worst I suffered was a black eye he gave me as a parting shot. Do I blame myself for this jack***'s assaulting me? No. But I learned a lesson: never again did I put myself in that position. I always had someone walk me to my car at night. That was the SMART thing to do.

think about what you are saying in the context you are saying it.

Learn the difference between blaming the victim and recognizing we need to make smart decisions in order to help protect ourselves.

There doesn't seem to be much though. When you are making a bigger deal of the victim doing something anyone should be able to do with fear of injury than you are of the person who actually caused the injury, you are victim-blaming.

And NOT making sex videos is one of those smart decisions.

What else can we put in there?
Having sex
Drinking alcohol
Smoking pot
going on vacation
drinking wine
being the member of a sex club
basically, any sort of "non-traditional" relationship

How about we worry less about what is "stupid" and more about what is illegal and actually harmful?

 

[acbytesla]

And yet, you are hung up on calling her wrong for taking intimate pictures with her husband and partner rather than calling him out for committing a felony

So, you aren't blaming them, but you are holding them responsible for the crimes of another? What precisely do you think blaming is?

think about what you are saying in the context you are saying it.

There doesn't seem to be much though. When you are making a bigger deal of the victim doing something anyone should be able to do with fear of injury than you are of the person who actually caused the injury, you are victim-blaming.

What else can we put in there?
Having sex
Drinking alcohol
Smoking pot
going on vacation
drinking wine
being the member of a sex club
basically, any sort of "non-traditional" relationship

How about we worry less about what is "stupid" and more about what is illegal and actually harmful?

Amen.

This reminds me of a young 13 year old who was gang raped in a Muslim country. She reported the offense to the authorities. While they couldn't prove her accusation against the perpetrators, they could tell she had sex. Her reward was to be publicly stoned.

 

[JoeMorgue]

What's functionally different about shaming someone for taking private nude photos and shaming someone for taking private nude photos that someone else distributes without their knowledge?

 

[Dr. Keith]

What's functionally difference for shaming someone for taking private nude photos and shaming someone for taking private nude photos that someone else distributes without their knowledge?

I don't know.

I do know that I think of the world in a way that is very different from most people.

I advise people every day about the fact that every email and text that they have ever written could one day be handed to them by an opposing lawyer in a bland conference room where they will be paying at least one attorney, typically two, to sit and take notes as they read out that text or email. Then they can expect it to be blown up on an exhibit board in a court room where they will be paying two to three attorneys to sit there and take notes as it is read to the jury by opposing counsel.

That is the context in which I live my life. I don't hit send on an email until I am happy that this email could be read in front of any of my clients, my wife, my kids, my mother, my colleagues, and the discipline committee of the State Bar. My emails are ******* boring. Whenever the topic of dick pics comes up, even as a joke, my go to photo is of the 37th president. I don't expect everyone to have as boring an email life as I do, but if your emails are more exciting, then you can expect your life to be more exciting.

I have clients who have very exciting lives and sitting there taking notes while that is laid out often helps to pay my mortgage.

I think anyone who knowingly forwarded or published private nudes without permission should be punished to the fullest extent of the law and I think such laws may need to be strengthened. But I also don't have any understanding of the compulsion to take nude photos. Nor do I understand why that one lady was so wiling to nearly sacrifice her dog just so that she could bite a camel's nuts, so there's a lot I don't understand about the sexual preferences and practices of others.

 

[Brainster]

here it comes, baby!

The editor of RedState Media, which published the revenge porn of Rep. Hill, was slated to be the campaign manager of an intended Republican challenger for the seat. That role never materialized and the challenger, Suzette Valladares, is pursuing a different elected position.

The rat-**** that the right is pulling here is far outshining the sexual impropriety that Hill took with her subordinates. I wonder if she'll decide to revoke her resignation.

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/redstate-editor-who-published-revenge-porn-of-congresswoman-has-ties-to-political-opponent/

I wonder if she'll decide to run for President. She's my new hero.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't know.

I do know that I think of the world in a way that is very different from most people.

I advise people every day about the fact that every email and text that they have ever written could one day be handed to them by an opposing lawyer in a bland conference room where they will be paying at least one attorney, typically two, to sit and take notes as they read out that text or email. Then they can expect it to be blown up on an exhibit board in a court room where they will be paying two to three attorneys to sit there and take notes as it is read to the jury by opposing counsel.

That is the context in which I live my life. I don't hit send on an email until I am happy that this email could be read in front of any of my clients, my wife, my kids, my mother, my colleagues, and the discipline committee of the State Bar. My emails are ******* boring. Whenever the topic of dick pics comes up, even as a joke, my go to photo is of the 37th president. I don't expect everyone to have as boring an email life as I do, but if your emails are more exciting, then you can expect your life to be more exciting.

I have clients who have very exciting lives and sitting there taking notes while that is laid out often helps to pay my mortgage.

I think anyone who knowingly forwarded or published private nudes without permission should be punished to the fullest extent of the law and I think such laws may need to be strengthened. But I also don't have any understanding of the compulsion to take nude photos

Pretty much the same as taking any photos. And why limit it to text based communication, why shouldn't everyone be obligated to live their whole lives by the standard you hold your email to?

 

[angrysoba]

Pretty much the same as taking any photos. And why limit it to text based communication, why shouldn't everyone be obligated to live their whole lives by the standard you hold your email to?

They will when we have Mygrain technology and everything can be played back.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Amen.

This reminds me of a young 13 year old who was gang raped in a Muslim country. She reported the offense to the authorities. While they couldn't prove her accusation against the perpetrators, they could tell she had sex. Her reward was to be publicly stoned.

My "favorite"-sarcasm story like this was the teacher who was fired after a student stole her phone, and shared nude photos she kept on it.

 

[acbytesla]

My "favorite"-sarcasm story like this was the teacher who was fired after a student stole her phone, and shared nude photos she kept on it.

Pretty damn ridiculous.

I've often wondered just how many people in today's digital age have had images of themselves naked or having sex thinking they were private. My guess is that percentage has grown dramatically over the years. It probably is wise not to ever do that. It's also boring.

I think anyone who exposes those images without the subject's permission is the lowest kind of scum.