Cont: Trans Women are not Women II: The Bath Of Khan

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Meadmaker said:
So when you said,
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you were just leading us on.

I had my hopes up there for a minute, but in the end, it was just another episode of Lucy and the football.
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I reject your notion that my interest requires that I care about what is written in a dictionary somewhere. Interest doesn't say I need to care what Webster thinks.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I reject your notion that my interest requires that I care about what is written in a dictionary somewhere. Interest doesn't say I need to care what Webster thinks.
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No one said you should care what Webster thinks. They asked you what you think.
 
cullennz said:
Sports categories - Based on sex, not gender.

Therefore - What ever they think their gender is irrelevant to what category of sport they qualify for.
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Is this what you are saying it should be or what you are saying it is? If it is the latter then I have some doubts. I have found the people that administer sports are generally suckky people. So, I wouldn't be shocked that the ones that first started splitting it by men/women didn't distinguish sex and gender. If so, then it isn't given they meant sex and not gender.
 
Meadmaker said:
Now, I might declare that I am a Cubs fan, and I sometimes do make that declaration, and someone might declare that I am a fraud, because I rarely watch games and cannot name very many of the players.
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I was going to write this, but you got to it first.

(Also, I'd've said White Sox instead of Cubs, b/c SOUTHSIDE bitch.)

Meadmaker said:
I'm perfectly ok with that definition, but if that's the definition we use, then Rachel McKinnon is clearly not a woman.
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It really does matter which definition we use, and we should bear in mind that we don't need to use the same one for sports as we do for, say, dept. store fitting rooms.

BobTheCoward said:
I'm simply indifferent to the definition of either fan or woman. I dont dispute anyone's claim to be either.
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Which is fine unless and until you're put into a position where you have to enforce existing sex-segregation, e.g. WNBA recruiter, Department of Corrections Director, etc.

BobTheCoward said:
I would be sending a woman to women's prison.
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You'd put someone who has repeatedly tried to forcibly impregnate people into a situation where they could do so whenever left unattended with someone of childbearing age. :boxedin:
 
d4m10n said:
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You'd put someone who has repeatedly tried to forcibly impregnate people into a situation where they could do so whenever left unattended with someone of childbearing age. :boxedin:
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We put murderers in with people they could murder.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The post I was responding to specifically mentioned dictionary.com. So I was engaged with a piece of argument involving actual dictionaries.
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The fact that he mentioned dictionary.com doesn't mean he wasn't asking you for your definition. Are you actually interested in the question enough to discuss it, or not?
 
cullennz said:
Yes that is why I said normally and the identity politics groups have taken it over.
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The point I am making is that so-called "identity politics groups" haven't taken it over, they are using it in just the same sense as it has been used for hundreds of years at least.

At most they are taking the attitude to its logical conclusion. For example society says that you are not a man if you don't behave and think in a particular way. Trans women are simply agreeing.

It was one of my bones of contention with trans men and women back in the '80s that they were merely reinforcing societal gender roles.
 
Roboramma said:
The fact that he mentioned dictionary.com doesn't mean he wasn't asking you for your definition. Are you actually interested in the question enough to discuss it, or not?
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I don't think Meadmaker asked for my definition in the post meadmaker referenced dictionary.com.
 
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