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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Venom said:
Trump saying al-Baghdadi was "whimpering and crying and screaming all the way"
made my eyes roll 360 degrees around.

Geezus can you stop making **** up. So overdramatic.
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I know someone else who does this. The more over dramatic and hyperbolic she gets, the more likely it is that she 's just making **** up. Which she does to an alarming degree. When the facts support a person's stand, there is no need to resort to such tactics.
 
Venom said:
Trump saying al-Baghdadi was "whimpering and crying and screaming all the way"
made my eyes roll 360 degrees around.

Geezus can you stop making **** up. So overdramatic.
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Anyone with half a brain would know this was BS. Reminds me of what a tinpot dictator would say.

In Trump's case though, his pattern is to imagine any number of fantasies then they become real to him.
 
Stacyhs said:
I know someone else who does this. The more over dramatic and hyperbolic she gets, the more likely it is that she 's just making **** up. Which she does to an alarming degree. When the facts support a person's stand, there is no need to resort to such tactics.
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Well don't leave us hanging. Who?
 
Venom said:
Trump saying al-Baghdadi was "whimpering and crying and screaming all the way"
made my eyes roll 360 degrees around.

Geezus can you stop making **** up. So overdramatic.
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If al-Baghdadi was running down a tunnel pursued by dogs as described, how would anyone know how he was acting? As far as has been revealed, no cameras have recorded this race down the tunnel. Sounds like more **** just made up by Trump.
 
Stacyhs said:
I know someone else who does this. The more over dramatic and hyperbolic she gets, the more likely it is that she 's just making **** up. Which she does to an alarming degree. When the facts support a person's stand, there is no need to resort to such tactics.
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This is rather naive.

The target audience for a description of Baghdadi's death isn't swing voters in the US. It's the Islamic radicals and potential radicals. This is propaganda, but we need to use propaganda in an ideological war. Is it a lie? Maybe, but frankly I don't care. Humiliating him even in death is a good thing. Reasoned discourse about how much of a meanie he was don't matter, the people who can be swayed by that aren't the problem. As Osama said, people follow the strong horse. So take every opportunity to portray the leaders of ISIS and other terrorist groups as weak.
 
Ziggurat said:
This is rather naive.

The target audience for a description of Baghdadi's death isn't swing voters in the US. It's the Islamic radicals and potential radicals. This is propaganda, but we need to use propaganda in an ideological war. Is it a lie? Maybe, but frankly I don't care. Humiliating him even in death is a good thing. Reasoned discourse about how much of a meanie he was don't matter, the people who can be swayed by that aren't the problem. As Osama said, people follow the strong horse. So take every opportunity to portray the leaders of ISIS and other terrorist groups as weak.
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Oh, come on, Zig. I'm not the one being naive here. This had nothing to do with a targeted audience in order to show strength. It had all to do with Trump's need to denigrate al-Baghdadi in the same way he denigrates everyone he has a beef with be it a terrorist, a Congressperson, or a celebrity. This was all about Trump.
 
Stacyhs said:
Oh, come on, Zig. I'm not the one being naive here. This had nothing to do with a targeted audience in order to show strength. It had all to do with Trump's need to denigrate al-Baghdadi in the same way he denigrates everyone he has a beef with be it a terrorist, a Congressperson, or a celebrity. This was all about Trump.
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Maybe you're right. Maybe Trump did it for domestic consumption. By insulting a terrorist leader who ran a murderous rape cult, he managed to get Democrats upset at him for insulting the terrorist leader of a murderous rape cult.

That will play well with swing voters.
 
Ziggurat said:
Maybe you're right. Maybe Trump did it for domestic consumption. By insulting a terrorist leader who ran a murderous rape cult, he managed to get Democrats upset at him for insulting the terrorist leader of a murderous rape cult.

That will play well with swing voters.
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Seems to be playing well with you...
 
Norman Alexander said:
Seems to be playing well with you...
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Baghdadi is dead. He deserves every insult we can come up with and more. Yeah, I'm happy about that. Why aren't you?

It was a bad look when some on the right got upset about Obama's victory lap over bin Laden. It's a bad look when some on the left are doing it with Trump.
 
Ziggurat said:
Maybe you're right. Maybe Trump did it for domestic consumption. By insulting a terrorist leader who ran a murderous rape cult, he managed to get Democrats upset at him for insulting the terrorist leader of a murderous rape cult.

That will play well with swing voters.
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Maybe you're right. Maybe Trump did it for domestic consumption.
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Are you claiming that I said or inferred that "Trump did it for domestic consumption"? If so, try again as I did no such thing.

This was all about Trump being Trump: lying his ass off about something that there is no evidence of ever happening. You provide evidence otherwise and I'll admit I'm wrong. Until then...
 
Ziggurat said:
Baghdadi is dead. He deserves every insult we can come up with and more. Yeah, I'm happy about that. Why aren't you?

It was a bad look when some on the right got upset about Obama's victory lap over bin Laden. It's a bad look when some on the left are doing it with Trump.
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Not only did you misrepresent what I said, you're now doing it to Norman Alexander. He in no way said or inferred that he thinks al-Baghdad doesn't deserve to be insulted.

No one says al-Baghdadi doesn't deserve to be insulted but that does not mean Trump needs to LIE about what happened. Two different things.

Obama didn't LIE about what happened in the Osama raid. Trump is. Or do you think the dogs chasing al-Baghdadi down that tunnel had cameras on them recording him crying and whimpering? Come on. That is PURE Trump ************.
 
Stacyhs said:
Are you claiming that I said or inferred that "Trump did it for domestic consumption"? If so, try again as I did no such thing.

This was all about Trump being Trump: lying his ass off about something that there is no evidence of ever happening. You provide evidence otherwise and I'll admit I'm wrong. Until then...
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You missed my point completely. I don't care if he's lying about the circumstances of Baghdadi's death. I'd be fine with Trump saying he was caught in flagrante with a pig, so long as Baghdadi is actually dead.

But getting upset that Trump may have lied about the specifics of his death comes across as sympathy for Baghdadi, and I'm telling you, that's not a good look.
 
Ziggurat said:
Baghdadi is dead. He deserves every insult we can come up with and more. Yeah, I'm happy about that. Why aren't you?

It was a bad look when some on the right got upset about Obama's victory lap over bin Laden. It's a bad look when some on the left are doing it with Trump.
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Did you read my next post?

Nobody is cheering for ISIS here. But I would be just as pleased the scum is dead if he had fallen down a well or something.

But there's a right way to go about assassination and many wrong ways. The Trump team chose one of the wrong ways, potentially an illegal way, and are crowing about it. They are playing "the end justifies the (illegal) means" card.

Incidentally, this is exactly the same thinking behind many domestic shootings and rampages in the USA. The perpetrator's thinking goes that never mind that a murder-rampage is illegal, some guys he believes are bastards or "criminals" got ended. So it all worked out well in the end. :rolleyes:
 
Norman Alexander said:
Did you read my next post?

Nobody is cheering for ISIS here. But I would be just as pleased the scum is dead if he had fallen down a well or something.

But there's a right way to go about assassination and many wrong ways. The Trump team chose one of the wrong ways, potentially an illegal way, and are crowing about it. They are playing "the end justifies the (illegal) means" card.

Incidentally, this is exactly the same thinking behind many domestic shootings and rampages in the USA. The perpetrator's thinking goes that never mind that a murder-rampage is illegal, some guys he believes are bastards or "criminals" got ended. So it all worked out well in the end. :rolleyes:
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You know what I think of Trump, but calling the attack illegal because he did not inform the Democratic leaders is a bit much, although he, of course should have done so.\
Frankly, denigrating the mission because Trump authorized it is a bad strategy which will backfire.
 
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I'll give this victory to Trump. It erases all of the criminal activities Trump did and is currently doing.............
 
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