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Electric universe theories here.

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Sol88 said:
On the other side of the argument the Universe is infinite and plasma dominates at the macro-scale, as observed.

[qimg]https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Cosmic-void-1.jpg[/qimg]

and PLASMA!!!! they forgot it, again.

Those filaments are Birkeland currents. This is why everything ROTATES (gravity cant do that) AND we have COUNTER ROTATION as expected in an ELECTRIC UNIVERSE. :D

Vast electrical circuits threading the infinite universe.

no begin, no end.
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Lol. And not a single sane scientist is claiming that the cosmic web is electric woo! If it were, it would have stuck out like a sore thumb in all-sky synchrotron surveys, such as COBE, WMAP & Planck. It didn't, it doesn't. No electric woo. Fail.
 
JeanTate said:
What does this have to do with the electric universe theory, the topic of this thread?


Source, as in relevant, peer-reviewed paper, please.

FWIW, I recall images like this are from simulations.

Simulations of what?

The distribution of dark matter, assuming matter is distributed in a way that is consistent with the CMB observations. No electrical currents, not even plasma.

But maybe I am mis-remembering ...
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Looks a lot like the Millennium Simulation, from 2005 (https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504097). If so, then my summary above is accurate.

Nothing whatsoever to do with any electric universe theory ... :)
 
JeanTate said:
Looks a lot like the Millennium Simulation, from 2005 (https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504097). If so, then my summary above is accurate.

Nothing whatsoever to do with any electric universe theory ... :)
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Indeed. I have linked this paper in here before, as Don Scott referenced it in one of his woo papers;

The Network Behind the Cosmic Web
Coutinho, B. C. et al. (2016)
https://arxiv.org/abs/1604.03236

Their simulations most closely match observation when the current estimates for DM are used. And Scott thought it would be a good idea to reference this paper!
 
JeanTate said:
Looks a lot like the Millennium Simulation, from 2005 (https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504097). If so, then my summary above is accurate.

Nothing whatsoever to do with any electric universe theory ... :)
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Indeed. He got basically everything about that wrong. It wasn't an observation, it was a simulation. And gravity, not electrical forces, is what produced those filamentary structures. Furthermore, what's being plotted is dark matter densities, and the EU folks generally don't believe dark matter exists. So to use this simulation (not observation) of dark matter acting under the force of gravity in order to justify EU ideas is just the height of irony.
 
JeanTate said:
What does this have to do with the electric universe theory, the topic of this thread?


Source, as in relevant, peer-reviewed paper, please.

FWIW, I recall images like this are from simulations.

Simulations of what?

The distribution of dark matter, assuming matter is distributed in a way that is consistent with the CMB observations. No electrical currents, not even plasma.

But maybe I am mis-remembering ...
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No, you are bang on the money...no plasma in a universe that is 99.6% plasma!

Dark matter...pffttt
Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
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And viola dark matter, dark energy, big bang, neutron stars, icy comets.... :blush:

just again for prosperity
No electrical currents, not even plasma.
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Do you actually believe there is electric currents thru plasma?

The Universe you belive in has NO PLASMA???

WTF??

From studying the movement of galaxies, it has been discovered that the universe contains much more matter than is accounted for by visible objects; stars, galaxies, nebulas and interstellar gas. This unseen matter is known as dark matter[18] (dark means that there is a wide range of strong indirect evidence that it exists, but we have not yet detected it directly).

The ΛCDM model is the most widely accepted model of our universe. It suggests that about 69.2%±1.2% [2015] of the mass and energy in the universe is a cosmological constant (or, in extensions to ΛCDM, other forms of dark energy, such as a scalar field) which is responsible for the current expansion of space, and about 25.8%±1.1% [2015] is dark matter.[19] Ordinary ('baryonic') matter is therefore only 4.84%±0.1% [2015] of the physical universe.[19] Stars, planets, and visible gas clouds only form about 6% of ordinary matter, or about 0.29% of the entire universe.[20]
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The remaining 4.9% of the mass–energy of the Universe is ordinary matter, that is, atoms, ions, electrons and the objects they form. This matter includes stars, which produce nearly all of the light we see from galaxies, as well as interstellar gas in the interstellar and intergalactic media, planets, and all the objects from everyday life that we can bump into, touch or squeeze.[106] As a matter of fact, the great majority of ordinary matter in the universe is unseen, since visible stars and gas inside galaxies and clusters account for less than 10 per cent of the ordinary matter contribution to the mass-energy density of the universe.[107]
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The Universe

PLASMA???

You mob are trippers!
 
Sol88 said:
No, you are bang on the money...no plasma in a universe that is 99.6% plasma!

Dark matter...pffttt

And viola dark matter, dark energy, big bang, neutron stars, icy comets.... :blush:

just again for prosperity

Do you actually believe there is electric currents thru plasma?

The Universe you belive in has NO PLASMA???

WTF??



The Universe

PLASMA???

You mob are trippers!
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Gibberish. Your point? Scientifically laid out? Haven't got one? Didn't think so.
 
Sol88 said:
No, you are bang on the money...no plasma in a universe that is 99.6% plasma!

Dark matter...pffttt
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You believed a picture from a simulation of dark matter because it looked pretty, and you didn't actually know what it was. And you expect anyone to take your criticisms seriously?

pffttt indeed.
 
Ziggurat said:
Indeed. He got basically everything about that wrong. It wasn't an observation, it was a simulation. And gravity, not electrical forces, is what produced those filamentary structures. Furthermore, what's being plotted is dark matter densities, and the EU folks generally don't believe dark matter exists. So to use this simulation (not observation) of dark matter acting under the force of gravity in order to justify EU ideas is just the height of irony.
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The Electric Universe is by definition Filamentary, as we observe.

Mainstream need the fudge factor to "save" the big bang!

Dark Matter, Dark Energy.....:D

Marklund convection

Marklund convection, named after Göran Marklund, is a convection process that takes place in filamentary currents of plasma. It occurs within a plasma with an associated electric field, that causes convection of ions and electrons inward towards a central twisting filamentary axis. A temperature gradient within the plasma will also cause chemical separation based on different ionization potentials.[1]

Mechanism

In Marklund's paper, the plasma convects radially inwards towards the center of a cylindrical flux tube. During this convection, the different chemical constituents of the plasma, each having its specific ionization potential, enters into a progressively cooler region. The plasma constituents will recombine and become neutral, and thus no longer under the influence of the electromagnetic forcing. The ionization potentials will thus determine where the different chemicals will be deposited.[1]

This provides an efficient means to accumulate matter within a plasma.[2] In a partially ionized plasma, electromagnetic forces act on the non-ionized material indirectly through the viscosity between the ionized and non-ionized material.

Hannes Alfvén showed that elements with the lowest ionization potential are brought closest to the axis, and form concentric hollow cylinders whose radii increase with ionization potential. The drift of ionized matter from the surroundings into the rope means that the rope acts as an ion pump, which evacuates surrounding regions, producing areas of extremely low density.[3]
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You mob... are completely useless.

There is the MOST efficient means to accumulate matter within a plasma, wich is 99.6% of the Universe.

Absolutely and completely NO NEED for
Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
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dark matter, dark energy.

BUT IT IS REQUIRED TO SAVE EINSTEIN and keep mainstream plebs in a job.
 
Sol88 said:
The Electric Universe is by definition Filamentary, as we observe.

Mainstream need the fudge factor to "save" the big bang!

Dark Matter, Dark Energy.....:D

Marklund convection




You mob... are completely useless.

There is the MOST efficient means to accumulate matter within a plasma, wich is 99.6% of the Universe.

Absolutely and completely NO NEED for dark matter, dark energy.

BUT IT IS REQUIRED TO SAVE EINSTEIN and keep mainstream plebs in a job.
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You really do talk some crap.
 
Sol88 said:
The Electric Universe is by definition Filamentary, as we observe.
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There are no actual calculations to back this up. Nothing with the EU crowd ever gets quantitative.

The electric universe is nonsense from top to bottom. There's no power source, nothing to keep the current flowing. If you magically set up a universe the way they think it's set up, it would discharge itself in short order.

And if you dig deep enough with the EU crowd, you always end up with Velikovsky.
 
jonesdave116 said:
You really do talk some crap.
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You invoked mathamagical constructs that have no basis in reality to save a falsified theory.

You going to email Göran Marklund and tell him his all WOO?

the right application in the right situation.

Plasma physics in a plasma universe!

So, you, mainstream
wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
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:D
 
Sol88 said:
You invoked mathamagical constructs that have no basis in reality to save a falsified theory.

You going to email Göran Marklund and tell him his all WOO?

the right application in the right situation.

Plasma physics in a plasma universe!

So, you, mainstream

:D
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WTF are you talking about? What has Marklund got to do with anything? Stop posting crap and actually spell out what you mean.
 
Sol88 said:
The Electric Universe has a mechanism.

The mainstream don't.
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No you haven't got a mechanism. It'd be written up if you had. You have precisely nothing that makes any scientific sense. Just a bunch of Velikovskian gibberish. Believed by nobody. Sane, that is.
 
Sol88 said:
You say gravity

I say plasma
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Nobody cares what you say. You are not a scientist, and nobody believes the woo that you believe. Tell us how plasma explains planetary orbits. Or the orbits of the stars around Sgr A*. Et cetera. Where is this written up? And by whom? Like I said, you have precisely zero. No science, no mechanisms, no evidence.
 
jonesdave116 said:
No you haven't got a mechanism. It'd be written up if you had. You have precisely nothing that makes any scientific sense. Just a bunch of Velikovskian gibberish. Believed by nobody. Sane, that is.
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Marklund convection

It occurs within a plasma with an associated electric field, that causes convection of ions and electrons inward towards a central twisting filamentary axis
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How does Marklund convection work in the dark universe??
 
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