Electric universe theories here.

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Mix master: Modeling magnetic reconnection in partially ionized plasma



Question to my plasma physics mentor, how do you tear a plasma? Same process used to tear the very fabric of space-time?



Is this a special plasma physics term?

tearing instability

 

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From the above paper...



Ahhh, mathamagicians.

yeah, when you try to do science again with press releases ...

 

[Ziggurat]

So, keep it simple stupid?

Ummm.... ok.

For a story written for general public consumption, yes. Obviously. Do you not know how that works? That's the standard approach. And if you haven't noticed that this is how scientific journalism works in every branch of science, then you just don't know enough science to have noticed.

You can bemoan that this is the way it works all you want, but 1) that won't change anything, and 2) it doesn't determine how the actual science works, so even if you could magically change the reporting, that wouldn't change the science being done. The actual science isn't dumbed down just because the reporting on it is.

 

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Irrelevant stupidity from Sol88 - real physics is not part of the EU

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Irrelevant stupidity from Sol88 - real physics is not part of the EU !

Part of the EU delusions is that magnetic reconnection does not exist. This is insane when magnetic reconnection is textbook physics that has been researched for maybe 70 years.

Mix master: Modeling magnetic reconnection in partially ionized plasma is a model of the real world, not EU fantasy.

Sol88's stupidity is in the questions. Magnetic reconnection is not "plasma tearing". Spacetime never "tears". The article (not paper) stated that magnetic field lines in plasma "tear, come back together and release large amounts of energy".

 

[Reality Check]

Repeated irrelevant stupidity from Sol88 - real physics is not part of the EU

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Repeated irrelevant stupidity from Sol88 - real physics is not part of the EU !

Part of the EU delusions is that magnetic reconnection does not exist. This is insane when magnetic reconnection is textbook physics that has been researched for maybe 70 years.

Mix master: Modeling magnetic reconnection in partially ionized plasma is a model of the real world, not EU fantasy.

Sol88's stupidity is "mathamagicians". Mathematics is the language of science.
This is part of the real world that the EU has never understood. The Thunderbolts cult (the major EU group) make up ignorant fantasies about the universe and never support them with mathematics or physics. A fantasy that plasma pinches creates stars and no support from plasma physics or a scientific model for his process! Stars are not fusion powered and they just deny a large part of physics that says the cores of star have to be undergoing fusion! A delusion that comets are actual rock blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times and these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field - no support, mathematics or physics!

 

[Sol88]

For a story written for general public consumption, yes. Obviously. Do you not know how that works? That's the standard approach. And if you haven't noticed that this is how scientific journalism works in every branch of science, then you just don't know enough science to have noticed.

You can bemoan that this is the way it works all you want, but 1) that won't change anything, and 2) it doesn't determine how the actual science works, so even if you could magically change the reporting, that wouldn't change the science being done. The actual science isn't dumbed down just because the reporting on it is.

Fair call...

A crisis in cosmology: New data suggests the universe expanding more rapidly than believed

This suggests that either there is a problem with the CMB measurements, which the team says is unlikely, or the standard model of cosmology needs to be changed in some way using new physics to correct the discrepancy.

Classic!!!

 

[Sol88]

Irrelevant stupidity from Sol88 - real physics is not part of the EU !

Part of the EU delusions is that magnetic reconnection does not exist. This is insane when magnetic reconnection is textbook physics that has been researched for maybe 70 years.

Mix master: Modeling magnetic reconnection in partially ionized plasma is a model of the real world, not EU fantasy.

Sol88's stupidity is in the questions. Magnetic reconnection is not "plasma tearing". Spacetime never "tears". The article (not paper) stated that magnetic field lines in plasma "tear, come back together and release large amounts of energy".

Yup, MR total crap.

It's just NOT NEEDED.

Tangled magnetic fields power cosmic particle accelerators

These movies show how distortions of the helical magnetic field of a cosmic jet (center) generate a strong electric field in the jet direction (left). The electric field boosts the energy of charged particles, effectively creating a dense electric current along the jet (right). Credit: arXiv:1810.05154v1

and if you speed it up...

[URL="https://phys.org/news/2019-10-violent-flaring-revealed-heart-black.html"]Flickering Violent flaring revealed at the heart of a black hole system[/URL]

Interesting to note Lukraak Sisser, the direction of motion of the Electrons and Ions in the "black hole" Jet.

 

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Yet another lie from Sol88 - this is not to do with EU

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Yet another lie from Sol88 - this is not to do with EU.

A crisis in cosmology: New data suggests the universe expanding more rapidly than believed is mainstream cosmology with a new paper measuring that the universe is expanding whuc==ich the EU denies !

The "crisis " hyped by the title is which of 2 rates of expansion is the correct rate of expansion.

 

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Yet more lies from Sol88 which only emphasizes how deluded EU is

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Yet more lies from Sol88 which only emphasizes how deluded EU is.
Magnetic reconnection is textbook physics that has been researched for maybe 70 years. EU has the delusion that MR does not happen,

An insane "It's just NOT NEEDED" lie when MR is needed for solar flares. It was the study of solar flares that began research into magnetic reconnection in the 1950's . Astronomers saw there were changing magnetic fields around a null point which produces magnetic reconnection. Especially insane because there are MR experiments.

"Tangled magnetic fields power cosmic particle accelerators" is Sol88 lying that MR is need for to power relativistic jets.

"Violent flaring revealed at the heart of a black hole system" is yet another Sol88 lie.

 

[Sol88]

tearing instability

You need an electric current for that , so I've read. Is this true, tusenfem?

Is this current not driven by different plasma in relative motion to each other, as per Ampres law or something you used bang on about? Sure you'd done a paper on this process at 67P?

Sounds a lot like the collapse of a double layer releasing energy. Not twang'n field lines together...

 

[Sol88]

This means that the induced magnetosphere around a comet consists of a complex geometry of magnetic fields, as if a large amount of different kinds of curtains have been draped around the nucleus. One of the consequences of these rotations of the magnetic field is that there will be current sheets generated in the coma.

but no magnetic reconnection??

ahhh, there it is

In a region where oppositely directed magnetic fields meet, a current sheet will be generated, by necessity of Ampere’s law:

and magnetic re connection occurs?

Oh, sorry jumped the gun.

These are indirect indications that magnetic reconnection could be taking place in the current sheets generated by nested draping.

Sounds like your shorting something out not "reconnecting" it

You may know the paper, tusenfem.

 

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As usual a stupid question from Sol88 to derail this thread away from the EU

You need an electric current for that , so I've read. Is this true, tusenfem?

As usual a stupid question from Sol88 to derail this thread away from the EU and waste posters time.

Sol88 is abysmally ignorant about magnetic reconnection, plasma, the Sun, comets, etc. and so will not have read that.
24 October 2019: Sol88's delusion that MR is not needed (solar flares need MR etc.).

From the other thread about parts of EU spewed out by Sol88's demented Thunderbolts cult:
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

 

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Sol88's persistent insanity of questions about mainstream science

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Sol88's persistent insanity of questions about mainstream science to waste our time. Sol88 has maybe hundreds of these in the electric comet thread and has not learned anything from the answers in the last 10 years.

This is a thread about EU theories.

 

[Sol88]

No, not really.

This is about the right application of standard plasma physics.

See the papers above.

But

If the electric force is the dominant organising force on the universe, then why all the mathamagical constructs to save a Cleary outdated theory, the Big Bang.

 

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[URL="https://phys.org/news/2019-10-violent-flaring-revealed-heart-black.html"]Flickering Violent flaring revealed at the heart of a black hole system[/URL]

Interesting to note Lukraak Sisser, the direction of motion of the Electrons and Ions in the "black hole" Jet.

Nothing new there, I wrote my Masters Thesis and my first paper on flaring around black holes in 1993! Nothing electric universe here, just plain old basic plasma physics and circuit theory.

 

[JeanTate]

Nothing new there, I wrote my Masters Thesis and my first paper on flaring around black holes in 1993! Nothing electric universe here, just plain old basic plasma physics and circuit theory.

I started a thread on the Paice+ (2019) paper that the PhysOrg piece is based on. I credited Sol88 appropriately.

Needless to say, I said nothing about the Velikovsky-based nonsense that is the Electric Universe.

 

[jonesdave116]

No, not really.

This is about the right application of standard plasma physics.

See the papers above.

But

If the electric force is the dominant organising force on the universe, then why all the mathamagical constructs to save a Cleary outdated theory, the Big Bang.

Nobody is saying the electric force is the dominant force in the universe. Only cranks. So, that can be safely ignored. And is. Next.

 

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You need an electric current for that , so I've read. Is this true, tusenfem?

true, so what?

Is this current not driven by different plasma in relative motion to each other, as per Ampres law or something you used bang on about? Sure you'd done a paper on this process at 67P?

this happens in a current sheet, under specific circumstances, the sheet between two oppositely directed magnetic fields, as in the earth's magnetotail.
i don't know ampres law
i have not discussed this instability in my current sheet paper

Sounds a lot like the collapse of a double layer releasing energy. Not twang'n field lines together...

it has absolutely nothing to do with double layers

 

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but no magnetic reconnection??

ahhh, there it is

and magnetic re connection occurs?

Oh, sorry jumped the gun.



Sounds like your shorting something out not "reconnecting" it

You may know the paper, tusenfem.

if you would read my paper you will find that we explain why there is no magnetic reconnectio in 67p's coma

 

[Reality Check]

Yet another lie from Sol88

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Yet another lie from Sol88.
This is the "Electric universe theories here." thread. There is no "application of standard plasma physics" at all in EU. Sol88's demented Thunderbolts cult (the main and maybe only EU group) makes up ignorant fantasies. They apply "I see bunnies in the clouds logic" based on those fantasies. They look at an astronomy image, see twisty/filamentary/whatever features and announce that whatever they are obsessing about on the day explains them. Rinse and repeat!