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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

JayUtah said:
Name one belief you've abandoned since coming here.
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I have had to give up belief in White Eagles teachings. Because the medium Grace Cook said in her early years that there were people on Venus and Mars.
This was obviously before space probes landed on those planets.

It was not easy for me to abandon White Eagles teachings, as it was very uplifting and spiritual. It was only that one false statement about the planets that gave it away as untrue.
 
Scorpion said:
I have had to give up belief in White Eagles teachings. Because the medium Grace Cook said in her early years that there were people on Venus and Mars.
This was obviously before space probes landed on those planets.
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That was back in the 1970s. Give an example of a belief you gave up in the six years you've been at this forum, because someone at this forum proved you wrong.
 
JayUtah said:
That was back in the 1970s. Give an example of a belief you gave up in the six years you've been at this forum, because someone at this forum proved you wrong.
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I can't say I feel anyone has actually proved me wrong, they have only raised reasons they think I am wrong.
 
JayUtah said:
And why is that useful to this thread and the purposes for which AmyW started it? She came to a skeptics forum to understand the skeptical approach to spiritualist claims. Why are you relevant?
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The thread title is ' how do psychic mediums know stuff about you' Everyone except me says they are all fakes. I say some are actually clairvoyant, or clairaudient, or clairsentient. They do see or hear or feel the presence of spirits.
 
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Scorpion said:
Probably not. But if its any consolation, you have given me some bad days where I was filled with self doubt.
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No. Your promise to be reasonable is considerably blunted when you say you only have to admit error when you feel like it, and then go on to confess that it hasn't happened once in six years. Plus, you seem to have forgotten the last time we asked about your participation, and you conceded that you came here to rattle the skeptics' cage. Looking down the forum index, I can find a whole bunch of threads you abandoned after having been backed into a corner. It seems you conveniently lose interest in a thread right about the time a reasonable person would be conceding the point.
 
Scorpion said:
Re-evaluated the few things I am sure of. It always comes out the same.
Some of my experiences remain convincing to me.
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Are you sure that you didn't just reaffirm? Re-evaluate would require you to take in new knowledge and apply it to the existing knowledge and then evaluate how it affects the outcomes.
 
bluesjnr said:
Are you sure that you didn't just reaffirm? Re-evaluate would require you to take in new knowledge and apply it to the existing knowledge and then evaluate how it affects the outcomes.
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Since I don't go to church any more I am stuck with re-evaluating or reaffirming things that have happened in the past. The truth is the things I am sure of can be counted on the fingers of one hand. I go over those events and remember they are clear evidence to me.

One of the things I am sure of is a friend of mine knew I was in trouble by telepathy, and he ran up the road from his flat to mine. He saved me from probably having a breakdown that night, and he knew I was in trouble by psychic means.
 
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Scorpion said:
I go over those events and remember they are clear evidence to me.
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Be more specific. It sounds like your process is to confront contravening evidence by asserting the previous desired belief. When cracks develop in the story you say your mother told you, your response was simply to assert that it had to have happened the way you and she said. That's not re-evaluation. That's staunchly maintaining the desired belief in spite of the evidence. And that, not some imaginary failure on the part of your critics, is I submit why you have never recanted a belief here.
 
Scorpion said:
Probably not. But if its any consolation, you have given me some bad days where I was filled with self doubt.
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If I thought the encouragement to disabuse yourself of belief in psychic mediums and other spiritual mumbo-jumbo would give you "bad days" I wouldn't share it with you, Scorpion. Freeing you from beneath the spell of such two-bit charlatans should be freeing for you – it's a good thing.

To take just one example, imagine no longer getting suckered into spending money on electric shock machines to realign your non-existent aura? It is at once humbling and empowering to experience the freedom that comes from accepting that you control your own destiny.
 
Darat said:
Scorpion are you going to get a copy of your brother's death certificate?
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I may send for a copy, but I am in no rush to pay money. I tried to find out all I could for free, and I found his name and the place and date of his death. But everyone wants a credit card number for more information. In any case I believe my mother, and the certificate will not say there were no oxygen tents. It will probably say he died of respiratory failure, or something like that.
 
Scorpion said:
I may send for a copy, but I am in no rush to pay money. I tried to find out all I could for free, and I found his name and the place and date of his death. But everyone wants a credit card number for more information.
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And yet you are prepared to spend money on an electric shock machine to cure a problem you can't prove even exists, and which didn't work anyway.
Funny, that. :rolleyes:

ETA: If ever there was another time for the spirits to give you lottery numbers, this would be it.
 
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Scorpion said:
I tried to find out all I could for free, and I found his name and the place and date of his death.
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Which means that information is in the public domain, so would have been easily obtainable by the senior members of your spiritualist church. I doubt either they, or the medium to whom they fed the information, would have had the slightest difficulty justifying doing so to themselves. They would probably have thought they were helping you by encouraging your faith.
 
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