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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Ziggurat said:
I think it's politics as usual. We might like politics to not be dirty, but it is, and always has been. This isn't even a noteworthy example of such.

Did you think it was stupid and dangerous when CNN called the Benghazi investigation a lynching? Probably not. Certainly most Democrats didn't.
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Link?
 
Well... sanctions on Turkey being lifted pretty much immediately is exactly what people like me expected right after hearing Trump's bluster about destroying Turkey's economy.

In other news...

Kirstjen Nielsen on her role in state-sanctioned kidnapping: 'I don’t regret enforcing the law'

Except that that wasn't the friggin' law, either in word or intent. That was a vile abuse of the law - and Nielsen should likely be going to jail for it, as well as her lies to Congress and so very, very much more.

ICE agent threatened, raped, and impregnated Honduran immigrant over 7 year period, says lawsuit

This might have been shocking many years ago, but... ICE is wildly out of control, with the blessing of the DHS - ICE agents committing criminal actions serves as a deterrent, therefore, they turn a blind eye to stuff like this.

Trump's NY Lawyer Argues President Literally Above the Law

As expected, really.


Republican Congressmen Storm Hearing, Disrupt Impeachment Deposition, Prevent Testimony. Violate security procedures.

They know that they're utterly in the wrong. They don't care.
 
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Ziggurat said:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/opinions/nelson-benghazi-hillary-clinton/index.html
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JoeMorgue said:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/opin...COOXMkVMK0C27hRO0haSnMC6IFRIkh6UZICS25Mv-Q7qo
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That's an opinion piece and the opening line is "I'm a lifelong Republican", written by a black woman.

I am a lifelong Republican. I worked for the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee in the 1990s as part of the Republican majority staff. I was the lone African-American female on the staff, and I was in my 20s.
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plague311 said:
That's an opinion piece and the opening line is "I'm a lifelong Republican", written by a black woman.
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Which has **** all to do with what I'm saying. Either the word is unacceptable, or it isn't. People didn't object to her using the word then. Because it wasn't unacceptable. It only became unacceptable as soon as Trump used it. But that's a bull **** standard.
 
Aridas said:
This might have been shocking many years ago, but... ICE is wildly out of control, with the blessing of the DHS - ICE agents committing criminal actions serves as a deterrent, therefore, they turn a blind eye to stuff like this.
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Seems like children in camps is done with the same results in mind. I'm very disappointed that no one seems to be doing anything about this with any urgency.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Well yeah... because it's Zigg. Did you expect anything beyond a "Technically correct?"
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Ziggurat said:
Which has **** all to do with what I'm saying. Either the word is unacceptable, or it isn't. People didn't object to her using the word then. Because it wasn't unacceptable. It only became unacceptable as soon as Trump used it. But that's a bull **** standard.
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*Ian Malcolm "Well... there it is" GiF*
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Happy to oblige.

I read the first take at outrage being “Using the term ‘lynching’ is horribly offensive”. I took that as universally bad.
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If you thought that why would you use the word “lynching” in your own post? If they had intended you to think that why would they have included the word in their own post, the one you are responding to?

IMO it was abundantly clear from the outset that context matters and that each case needed to be looked at individually in its own context for appropriateness. Clearly some people though that the use in this case was inappropriate, but this doesn’t mean every usage is inappropriate in its own context, or that a words of semi-anonymous forum nobody is should be reacted to the same way as those of the POTUS.

I don’t see how any rational person can view Zig’s post as anything but whataboutism and deflection. It’s clear he simply searched for the word lynch and took no effort to show that those cases were comparable or relevant.

FYI I don’t hold any patricianly opinion on whether any of these examples are inappropriate, even the one involving Trump. I see Trumps usage as just another example of him butchering the English language, this time by bungling a somewhat common descriptive phrase (lynch mob). I think it says more about his inability to speak coherently than it does his racist streak. I’m willing to listen to arguments either way is someone wants to actually make such an argument.
 
Belz... said:
Ok so the Democrats were just as wrong when they used the word.

Now what?
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Precisely. This whole "what about when the Democrats did ___?" is juvenile nonsense (or coordinated polarization intended to make holding criminals to account for their crimes to be partisan).

Here are relevant things that are wrong:

A) lynching
B) using lynching as a metaphor for anything that does not include mob/state-sponsored public execution by hanging without due process and with an intent to terrorize a marginalized group, especially African-Americans in the Jim Crow South.

Is B) bad when Republicans do it? yes
Is B) bad when Democrats do it? yes

What is this weird thing that makes people think that principled stances on thorny issues carry partisan filters?
 
Ziggurat said:
Which has **** all to do with what I'm saying. Either the word is unacceptable, or it isn't.
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Only to people who know **** all about context. You said Democrats\CNN said this, which they didn't. A Republican opinion contributor said it. Words mean things Zigg.

Ziggurat said:
People didn't object to her using the word then.
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Evidence? I mean something solid. Since you're making an absolute statement you must now prove that "people" didn't object.

Ziggurat said:
Because it wasn't unacceptable. It only became unacceptable as soon as Trump used it. But that's a bull **** standard.
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No, it's not. The POTUS should be held to a different standard than random_Republican_Opinion_Writer_01. That's how it all works. You're nonsensical handwave is ******** on its face.

Personally, I think this rates in the middle of the "******* stupid **** this moron of a man says", but it doesn't change the fact that it has a completely different context coming from the POTUS than anyone else. It's not a ******** standard, other than you not liking it.

timhau said:
Could we have a separate thread where people can defend Trump's verbiage by digging up old instances of Democrat/CNN/whatever use of the same words? He'll say enough moronic and offensive things to keep it going on its own.
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Newp. This thread isn't moving at some crazy speed. I'm sure you can keep up.
 
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varwoche said:
Never mind Trump's lawyer. This is in alignment with established Justice Dept policy, per AG Barr.
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In this case the lawyer is making the claim directly to a federal judge about all law enforcement at every level. That goes beyond policy.
 
Belz... said:
Well, according to Trump's own lawyer now you can't even investigate the President for murder.
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No that's not true. You just have to prove he's a murderer before you can even start investigating him for murder.
 
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