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Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

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Garrison said:
he can't without the approval of Parliament and so far the attitude of the opposition parties seems to be that Boris should clean up his own Brexit mess before getting an election.
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He needs a two-thirds majority to get that and now that DUP has dumped him he won't get a GE unless it is favourable to Labour/LibDems/Greens/SNP as they will vote for it once he extension is confirmed.

Then there'll be an election early December, I would guess.
 
Only thing keeping the UK from the "Nation with the most messed up Parliamentary system" award is Israel.
 
The Don said:
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Twitter thread in which David Allen Green explains why three days isn't long enough to assess the Withdrawal Agreement, and how one clause in particular makes it clear that the entire premise of Brexit is fatally flawed
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But isn't it ever thus (both here and across the pond)?

In order to get difficult legislation through, the government gives insufficient time for proper scrutiny. Of course sometimes it's the government that ends up with egg on its face.
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You guys got it easy. The way our conservatives (AKA Republicans, over here) do it with important things like major tax bills is to lock themselves behind closed doors the night before the vote, get the final modifications handwritten in at the very last minute, and then put it to the floor a few hours before the vote is due.

Three days is a luxury.
 
Tolls said:
ceptimus said:
The right hand side of each of those images has been bought upon us because of remain-supporting politicians plotting to thwart Brexit. Were it not for them, the left hand side statements would have been shown to be correct and we'd already be out of the EU, and rid of the continued debilitating uncertainty to our economy.
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You can keep repeating this as much as you like, but it is quite simply a lie.
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The ones against the bill voting against it are vile. The ones who are for the bill voting against it are heroes.

What could make more sense than that?

:rolleyes:
 
GlennB said:
As I understand it that one opened the way for a default hard Brexit on Oct 31st. This one would be within an extension period.

However, it's fair to say that my comprehension of what's going on seems to get less every day ;)
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I hit zero sometime last year. Ever since then I've been subtracting.

I have given up asking for explanations, since that only seems to make it worse.

Now I view it as a Yank watching a cricket match. I have no idea what's going on, but it's fun to watch the people running back and forth.

:)
 
Maybe the idea is to humiliate Boris so much he decides that being PM is not fun anymore and quits?
 
quadraginta said:
You guys got it easy. The way our conservatives (AKA Republicans, over here) do it with important things like major tax bills is to lock themselves behind closed doors the night before the vote, get the final modifications handwritten in at the very last minute, and then put it to the floor a few hours before the vote is due.

Three days is a luxury.
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If only it were just a tax bill, this will effect our entire country and place in the world for decades and make many changes that are in all likelyhood irrevocable.
 
Don't worry, the United Kingdom will always have a place in our hearts as the country that gave us Monty Python, Benny Hill, Yes Minister, and now Brexit!b :p
 
Boris must be so relieved he can pause the deal as now parliament can debate the Queen’s Speech which was so important to him he prorogued Parliament twice.
 
quadraginta said:
I hit zero sometime last year. Ever since then I've been subtracting.

I have given up asking for explanations, since that only seems to make it worse.

Now I view it as a Yank watching a cricket match. I have no idea what's going on, but it's fun to watch the people running back and forth.

:)
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Like a corny South American soap opera, you have to have followed it from the beginning to understand all the twists and turns and nuances. Confused? You won't be...after the next episode of, 'BREXIT!'
 
McHrozni said:
Parliament accepted the deal on the second reading, 314-299. It however rejected the three-day timetable.

https://edition.cnn.com/uk/live-news/brexit-boris-johnson-parliament-tuesday-dle-intl/index.html

Can someone explain the implications? Beyond the necessary Brexit extension that is.

McHrozni
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Passing the first reading means that the bill can now be amended. There are several MPs who have said that they voted it through not because they support the bill, but because they don't.

The timetable not being voted through means that MPs have agreed that it needs more scrutiny. Johnson is trying to use this to force a general election, and he may succeed.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Passing the first reading means that the bill can now be amended. There are several MPs who have said that they voted it through not because they support the bill, but because they don't.

The timetable not being voted through means that MPs have agreed that it needs more scrutiny. Johnson is trying to use this to force a general election, and he may succeed.
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Is a confirmatory referendum on the table? I assume with my bias this is a strategic plan that has a powerful groundswell. Otherwise I will retreat and surrender and forget the whole thing.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Passing the first reading means that the bill can now be amended. There are several MPs who have said that they voted it through not because they support the bill, but because they don't.
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How does that work then? Hoping to amend it into a substantially different bill?
 
Samson said:
Is a confirmatory referendum on the table? I assume with my bias this is a strategic plan that has a powerful groundswell. Otherwise I will retreat and surrender and forget the whole thing.
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No, there are no current plans for a confirmatory referendum, not least because Brexiteers are pretty sure that any Brexit deal would lose heavily against Remain.

Brexiteers might support a Boris' Deal vs No Deal referendum but that wouldn't get any traction from Remoaners like me.
 
McHrozni said:
Parliament accepted the deal on the second reading, 314-299. It however rejected the three-day timetable.

https://edition.cnn.com/uk/live-news/brexit-boris-johnson-parliament-tuesday-dle-intl/index.html

Can someone explain the implications? Beyond the necessary Brexit extension that is.

McHrozni
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Johnson has got to the same place May had got to. But he wants to do the debating about the bill and any amendments and votes on the amendments in only 3 days. Parliament has said no, since it would clearly take more than 3 days to debate and amend.

The debates and amendments over May's deal took weeks and they were never happy with it. I think Parliament knows they will just be stuck in the same rut as before. Lots of amendments and no agreements.

They are looking for another way out and a GE is one.
 
sphenisc said:
How does that work then? Hoping to amend it into a substantially different bill?
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Yes, that seems to be the plan like inserting a condition that any deal must be subject to a confirmatory referendum or that workers' and/or environmental protections are retained - essentially to turn it into something that Brexiteers would vote against.

Whether that would work is a different matter but there are Labour Brexiteers who don't like this bill.
 
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