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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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The Lynching remark seems to have ignited a fire storm with it obvious racial overtones.
I know that all lynchings in the US were not racially motivated....most of those in the Old West were whites lynching whites...but the lynching of blacks by white mobs in the South is what most people think of when the term is used, and Donnie damn well knew this.
It's also one of coded shout outs to his White Nationalist followers.
We have a President of the US who is not only a bigot but uses bigotry as a political weapon.
And the Trump supporters on this site see nothing wrong with that.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Agreed, but not definitively so.

Most people will use their index finger to do something like that. Without thinking, touch your eyebrow. Bet you used your index finger.

Now do it, using your middle finger instead. Did you naturally fold back any other fingers while doing so? I know I don’t.
But, as I said, that motion may be natural to someone. In this case I’m pretty sure we’ll never know if Trump has malicious intent or not.
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Agreed. If you look at the other videos in the link I provided earlier where he makes the same gesture, you'll notice he uses the same finger position. The body language 'expert' says this about that:

If he was scratching we would expect him to put more fingers up and to bend them to use his nails.
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TheSupermeerkat said:
Bill Taylor’s Impeachment Testimony Is So Damning For Trump That Investigators Gasped When They Heard It

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/22/bill-taylor-testimony.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

A clickbait article that doesn't really say much. Has anyone got any other sources?
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I don't know how reliable RawStory is.


Veteran diplomat Bill Taylor, who told European Union ambassador Gordon Sondland that he thought it was “crazy” to withhold military aid to Ukraine to help a political campaign, testified before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday over the objections of the Trump State Department.

Even though details of the testimony have not yet been made public, one source tells Politico’s Andrew Desiderio that Taylor’s opening statement was a hefty 15 pages long and sparked “a lot of sighs and gasps.”

While no lawmakers present at the hearing have discussed the contents of Taylor’s opening statement, reactions from at least two Democratic lawmakers line up with what Desiderio’s source claims was the reaction in the room.

Per Politico’s Kyle Cheney, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) described Taylor’s testimony so far as “incredibly damaging to the president.” Rep. Andy Levin (D-MI), meanwhile, reportedly described Taylor’s testimony as “my most disturbing day in Congress so far.”
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Armitage72 said:
I don't know how reliable RawStory is.
Even though details of the testimony have not yet been made public, one source tells Politico’s Andrew Desiderio that Taylor’s opening statement was a hefty 15 pages long and sparked “a lot of sighs and gasps.”
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Keep in mind that one of Trump's made-up complaints is how the impeachment is being done "in secret". If he were being honest, he would actually prefer things to be done behind closed doors, since showing such testimony in public would be more damaging to Trump.
 
phiwum said:
Register as a Democrat. They'll bus you in to vote from what I hear.
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Both parties have volunteers who will drive you to your polling station. I did that in 1976, 1980 and 1992. But of course it is limited to the availability of volunteers.
 
acbytesla said:
Both parties have volunteers who will drive you to your polling station. I did that in 1976, 1980 and 1992. But of course it is limited to the availability of volunteers.
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The ride sharing services Uber and Lyft gave free rides to voting stations in 2018. Probably not viable for everyone but it's something.
 
JoeMorgue said:
As many times as you want too! I voted as Joe, Joseph, Joey, Jose, three dead people, and Hashtag McYoloSwag in 2016.
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You must own a lot of hats.

ETA: Dammit. Ninja'ed by Remarkably Fast Eddie B. The B is for "Bastard". (Huh. Thought that might be caught by the censor, but since I reckon Eddie won't take offense at it and it seems okay to the censor, I'll leave it.)
 
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acbytesla said:
Both parties have volunteers who will drive you to your polling station. I did that in 1976, 1980 and 1992. But of course it is limited to the availability of volunteers.
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Only the Democrats will pick you up in Canada. Think you missed that.
 
Michael Steele did not go easy on Trump or Graham.

https://twitter.com/MichaelSteele/status/1186670602117156871

"@realDonaldTrump and @LindseyGrahamSC this is a lynching. Trump this is not happening to you and it’s pathetic that you act like you’re such a victim; but it did happen to 147 black people in your state Lindsey. “A lynching in every sense”? You should know better."

Attached to the tweet is a picture of an actual lynching.
 
pgwenthold said:
"Number 13 will leave you speechless!"
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The testimony has now been released.

Top US diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor told lawmakers Tuesday that US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland told him that President Donald Trump had said he wanted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to publicly state he would investigate Bursima and the 2016 election in order to provide the Ukrainians with a meeting and security assistance, according to a copy of Taylor's opening statement obtained by CNN.
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From everything I can read Bill Taylor pretty much openly called Trump a liar today.

I wonder if he had anything in the form of hard evidence or if this is just more of the same he said\he said ****.
 
plague311 said:
From everything I can read Bill Taylor pretty much openly called Trump a liar today.

I wonder if he had anything in the form of hard evidence or if this is just more of the same he said\he said ****.
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Just guessing, but I'd suspect nothing more than contemporaneous notes. Sondland knew to avoid a written trail and so did Giuliani.

While Taylor knew to keep asking things in texts so there's that.
 
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Armitage72 said:
I saw another story that described how he responded to the public correction by one of the astronauts by rubbing the side of his head with his middle finger, making it look like he was flipping them off. I doubt even he would be sufficiently clueless for it to be intentional, so just a lack of self-awareness of his actions.
He also had trouble with the time delay and kept talking over the astronauts when they were trying to respond to his questions.

EDIT: Ninja x 2
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I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt on the delay, but then I realized that they probably tried to tell him about that more than once during the prep and he just ignored what he was told.

The finger thing might have been towards the press in general rather than towards the woman correcting him.


Armitage72 said:
I . I doubt even he would be sufficiently clueless for it to be intentional, so just a lack of self-awareness of his actions.
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I’m not trying to get all skeptic-y, but do you have any evidence to support the idea that it is reasonable to doubt that it would be intentional?
 
phiwum said:
Just guessing, but I'd suspect nothing more than contemporaneous notes. Sondland knew to avoid a written trail and so did Giuliani.

While Taylor knew to keep asking things in texts so there's that.
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I would imagine there are diplomatic cables for some of it? Am I not understanding those correctly?
 
JoeMorgue said:
As many times as you want too! I voted as Joe, Joseph, Joey, Jose, three dead people, and Hashtag McYoloSwag in 2016.
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Remember the great line from Scorsese's "Gangs Of New York" :

"What you only voted ONCE? You call that doing your civic duty?".

Man back in the era of Boss Tweed, they knew how to do corrupted election right.....
 
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