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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

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BobTheCoward said:
Many of those 50 are not senators. You claimed 50 senators.
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My bad.

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Either way, they all went back on it, at the urging of Obama.
Obama, the democratic POTUS and leader of the democratic party.
Because the POTUS and leader of the party holds a lot of sway like that.
 
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acbytesla said:
Look. If you are arguing that Republicans are generally better at messaging then I agree with you. That said, it's easy when you're not saying anything which is what I get from most Republicans. But frankly I don't think Sanders is really any better than Warren at it.
I get mad at most Democrats when they get too wonky. But even worse is the candidate who is unprepared and stumbles over answers.

Warren is much much better at it then she used to be. It's still not good enough. But I don't see a Democratic candidate who standing out better than her. Not a one. So what the hell do we do?
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For the record, when did I ever say Sanders was good at messaging or even better than any of them?

As for any of them standing out as better at messaging, several of them are much better.

Booker is excellent at messaging.

O'Rourke and Buttigeig aren't bad but they have other issues.

The news media has a lot to do with naming front runners, not necessarily naming the best campaigners.

If you ever had the time or energy or motivation to look back over some of my posts from elections past (not that I expect you to) you would find me bitching about bad Democratic messaging since I started in this forum in 2005.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Booker is excellent at messaging.
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Can I get an example of his good messaging and the evidence that it's been effective?

eta: Booker's gone from being at 6% early in the year, to 1.6% now. He's doing about as well as Tulsi Gabbard is.
 
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kellyb said:
I think they say plenty of things, but their target audience eats, sleeps, and breathes hate, and are horrifyingly misinformed, on top.

It's easy to message to people with this large, exposed, pulsing lizard brain that's ravenous for more racism, sexism, and general xenophobia.
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Well said. Appealing to fear is easy. Black man is gonna rape your daughter. Mexican is gonna take your job. Gangs are gonna sell drugs and burn your house down. How sophisticated does one have to be to do that effectively? SG mistakes GOP blatant fear mongering for effective messaging.
 
kellyb said:
My bad.

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Either way, they all went back on it, at the urging of Obama.
Obama, the democratic POTUS and leader of the democratic party.
Because the POTUS and leader of the party holds a lot of sway like that.
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Obama urged them. You don't know if that was the reason they did it.
 
BobTheCoward said:
If they had meaningful power, blue dogs would not have so successfully sunk a public option.

Your reply is bizarre. Non zero and meaningful impact on the things you care about are not the same.
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Your reply is bizarre. It wasn't the blue dogs who blackballed the public option.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Paywall
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Can you see this?

WASHINGTON—Rep. Dennis Kucinich boarded Air Force One opposed to President Barack Obama's health bill. He landed moving toward yes, still not impressed with the substance of the bill, but persuaded the president had heard him out.

"He knew my position to a fine degree of definition," said Mr. Kucinich, who ultimately came full circle, announcing Wednesday he was switching to a "yes" vote.
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The Nation: This Is Exactly How Karl Rove Works

Politico: Rove's patented strategies will endure

LA Times: Rove leaves imprint on campaign strategy

NPR: Frank Luntz Explains 'Words That Work'

Amazon: Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear by Frank Luntz

George Lakoff, framing: The ALL NEW Don’t Think of an Elephant!

LA Times: Column: Linguist George Lakoff on what Democrats don’t understand — and Republicans do — about how voters think
Lakoff is emeritus professor of cognitive science and linguistics at UC Berkeley. His 2004 book, “Don’t Think of an Elephant!”, about how conservatives frame their political messages more effectively than Democrats do, has moved the needle on campaign language, but not nearly enough, he says. Democrats have to keep their messengers on message, and be able to craft that message not just as a recitation of facts and policy, but as a persuasive story about democracy and governance that voters want to hear, and support.
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I can't give people answers in 25 words or less about something I've been researching for more than 15 years.

I can tell you what Clinton did wrong, I did so in other threads, it's off topic here. I can tell you the public is not going to buy into universal health care unless it is presented with proper framing, something neither Sanders nor Warren are doing. I can tell you the Democrats never effectively fought back when the ACA was attacked. They threw their hands up and let the Republicans trash it believing, I think, that the public would see the GOP had no replacement.

I could go on and on. I have gone on and on. Some of our dear members in this forum are smart. But they don't get it. The DNC doesn't get it. Some of them get it, but I don't know, maybe they like Sanders or Warren too much to take a closer more critical look.

Bottom line, if the Democrats don't get it together, we will have four more years of Trump.
 
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I can tell you the public is not going to buy into universal health care unless it is presented with proper framing
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https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...mericans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care
70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal
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Seventy percent said they supported providing "Medicare for all," also known as single-payer health care, for Americans, according to a new American Barometer survey.

The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it.

Fifteen percent said they "somewhat" opposed the measure, while another 15 percent said they "strongly" opposed it.

The results mirrored a Reuters-Ipsos poll released in August, which also found that 70 percent of Americans supported "Medicare for all."
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The only argument is over what form of UHC it should be.

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I picked one of your links at random:
https://www.politico.com/story/2007/08/roves-patented-strategies-will-endure-005375 ("Rove's patented strategies will endure") and literally none of that is about messaging.
 
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