Electric universe theories here.

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Ziggurat said:
The general public isn't going to learn what a plasma is just because you want them to, regardless of how easy it might in principle be. And no, actually, the distinction between a gas and a plasma isn't that simple. It requires prerequisite knowledge that lots of people don't actually have.

To give you an example, do you know the actual technical definition of temperature? It seems like it should be a simple and obvious thing, but it's not, and very few people actually do know the technical definition. And in order to understand the actual technical definition, you need to know calculus. But most of the time, most people don't need to know the technical definition. If you want to explain negative temperatures, and why negative temperatures are actually hot and not cold, it's pretty straight forward to do using the technical definition. But you can't do that if you're talking to a general audience.
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So, keep it simple stupid?

Ummm.... ok.
 
JeanTate said:
What’s the point, Sol88?

No one who reads this post of yours can change what the general public reads. And the readers of your post already know more about gases, plasmas, dust, etc (in the context of astronomy, space physics, and astrophysics) than you do.

So, what’s the point?
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Just came back from a weeks fishing trip...
 
A "Hard to fit it" lie. And a "last Tuesday" delusion?

Sol88 said:
Hard to fit it into a 13.7 Billion year old, last Tuesday, Universe story?
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A "Hard to fit it" lie. And a "last Tuesday" delusion?
Once again - the article is on a solution to the problem that large scale magnetic fields will be diluted by an expanding universe. The solution is electric fields. An electric universe supporter should be an ardent fan of this solution :p!

The lie is that the solution does not fit. The solution is electric fields in the inflationary period. It absolutely fits!

A "last Tuesday" delusion? The empirical evidence is that the universe is 13.787±0.020 billion years old, not a few days.
 
JeanTate said:
Well, you are the only one who can explain the mystery of why you post such things, Sol88 ...
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From the paper above,
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it is an unresolved mystery how such magnetic fields can have been created in the early universe



It’s a mystery allright...
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Ohhh, so you are able to enlighten the most brilliant minds on this unresolved mystery in astrophysics?

I’m all ears. :D
 
Reality Check said:
A "Hard to fit it" lie. And a "last Tuesday" delusion?
Once again - the article is on a solution to the problem that large scale magnetic fields will be diluted by an expanding universe. The solution is electric fields. An electric universe supporter should be an ardent fan of this solution :p!

The lie is that the solution does not fit. The solution is electric fields in the inflationary period. It absolutely fits!

A "last Tuesday" delusion? The empirical evidence is that the universe is 13.787±0.020 billion years old, not a few days.
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The solution? :jaw-dropp


What!

Electric fields you say, please fill me in.

How do these electric fields influence the dusty plasma that is ubiquitous throughout the observable universe, one would wonder.
 
Sol88 said:
Just came back from a weeks fishing trip...
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So you decided to start work by derailing this thread into irrelevant ignorance and lies about what you cited :p?
  1. Oh yes - ignorance that mainstream science is the electric universe and that ignorance of citing mainstream cosmology in an "Electric universe theories here." thread :jaw-dropp!
  2. The EU "gas or plasma" stupidity and delusion that general public are very ignorant or stupid :eye-poppi!
  3. A lying post, Sol88, because you have known for years that the mainstream knows the difference between a gas and a plasma.
  4. A "It’s a mystery allright" lie. The news article is about a resolution to an unresolved mystery.
  5. Abysmally ignorant questions when Sol88 has known the answers for years.
  6. A lying question when Sol88 cited the mystery and its solution.
  7. A "Hard to fit it" lie. And a "last Tuesday" delusion?
  8. A couple more lying posts about the solution explained in the science article he cited which I explained in the post he replied to.
ETA: The only things relevant to this thread that you have posted are examples of the stupidity that the EU indulges in elsewhere. Citing mainstream science that supports the mainstream (standard cosmology and the nebular hypothesis). Delusions or lies about mainstream science. Displays of deep ignorance of mainstream science. An inability to support the EU.

Even 9 years ago when an EU supporter (Siggy_G) was posting, there was no EU "science" posted! Some EU fantasies from Wallace Thornhill, etc.
 
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Another lying post about the solution explained in the science article he cited

Sol88 said:
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A couple more lying posts about the solution explained in the science article he cited which I explained in the post he replied to.

ETA: "Ohhh, so you are able to enlighten the most brilliant minds on this unresolved mystery in astrophysics?" lie when he quoted the unresolved mystery resolved in the article.
 
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Sol88 said:
Ohhh, so you are able to enlighten the most brilliant minds on this unresolved mystery in astrophysics?

I’m all ears. :D
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Sigh.

This thread is about Electric universe theories.

Did you post any such theory? (No)

Are there interesting new astronomical observations? New cosmological models and hypotheses? Open questions?

Well, duh, that’s as true today as it has been for decades (or longer).

Do other ISF members start threads about such, and post in them? (Yes)

Etc.

So, one mystery is why you, Sol88, are behaving in such a strange, illogical way?
 
Mmmm...... "Electric universe" theory is at odds with everything modern science has determined about the universe. Yet something about it sparks fervor in the hearts of believers.

The electric universe concept does not meet the National Academy of Sciences' definition of a "theory," which is "a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence" and "can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed."

In physics, theories need math. That's how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn't big on math. In fact, "Mathematics is not physics," Thornhill said. While that equation aversion makes the theory pretty much a nonstarter for "mainstream" astronomers, it is the exact thing that appeals to many adherents.
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Plasma, the idea went, pervades the universe in filaments. Those filaments carry electric current, and that current controls the cosmos. "Magnetism, gravity and the nuclear forces are all different manifestations of the electric force at vastly different scales," Thornhill said of the basis of the theory.
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plasma and maths.... not good bed fellows
 
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A "plasma and maths.... not good bed fellows" lie

Sol88 said:
Mmmm......
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After many posts of irrelevance and lies, a almost relevant post!

The obvious fact that EU is not science! An interview with the documented liar and deluded Wallace Thornhill described as "one of the founders of EU" besmirches EU.
18 November 2010: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions by Wal Thornhill
Anyone who reads his blog (holoscience) can understand that Thornhill is deluded, e.g. canyons are blasted out by electric discharges, gravitational waves have not been detected, supports the rather insane SAFIRE project that denies that the Sun needs an internal heat source to not collapse, etc. Haven't looked at it lately but there are some new deluded lies.
We have measured that the universe is expanding (an issue is which of 2 measured rates is correct). Thornhill has a deluded lie that the universe is not expanding as in the EU.
Thornhill has a deluded lie that he is a physicist (ha never worked as one or published anything) and can show that black holes do not exist.
Thornhill writes "electrically scarred" delusions because Ultima Thule has a "huge" impact crater!

But then we get yet another lie:
Sol88 said:
plasma and maths.... not good bed fellows
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Plasma physics is full of valid math and valid physics. For example: Magnetohydrodynamics.
 
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Reality Check said:
After many posts of irrelevance and lies, a almost relevant post!

The obvious fact that EU is not science! An interview with the documented liar and deluded Wallace Thornhill described as "one of the founders of EU" besmirches EU.
But then we get yet another lie:

Plasma physics is full of valid math and valid physics. For example: Magnetohydrodynamics.
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How'd we go with ideal MHD at comet 67P, not good was it.

But you know made the maths easier at least!

or would you like to start the Debye length again, please?
 
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Yet another lying irrelevant question from Sol88

Sol88 said:
How'd we go with ideal MHD at comet 67P, not good was it.
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Yet another lying irrelevant question from Sol88.
He has never cited a paper using ideal MHD at 67P. There are papers using the mathematics of plasma physics that he denies to model plasma at 67P! The researchers chose to use computer simulations.

A bit of "Debye length" insanity when the Debye length is textbook physics. The Debye length of cometary plasmas means that cometary plasma are neutral on scales over that length. Also any possible double layers will have scales of a few 10's of Debye lengths but they are physically impossible because cometary plasma are turbulent - the plasma and magnetic fields are mixed up by interactions. The solar wind has a Debye length 10 meters.
 
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Sol88 said:
What’s a plasma?

What’s a gas?

Not that hard.

General public only need to know, plasma. They do not need to know you have no model for plasma but do gas, which, is of course totally irrelevant.

But

If you’d like to really blow the general public’s minds, then fill them in on dusty plasmas!

Not just gas and dust any more, now is Ziggurat?


Need to step up a notch.
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by jove!

are you trying to beat trump in making insane posts?
 
Mix master: Modeling magnetic reconnection in partially ionized plasma

Astrophysicists have long puzzled over whether this mechanism can occur in the cold, relatively dense regions of interstellar space outside the solar system where stars are born. Such regions are filled with partially ionized plasma, a mix of free charged electrons and ions and the more familiar neutral, or whole, atoms of gas. If magnetic reconnection does occur in these regions it might dissipate magnetic fields and stimulate star formation.
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Question to my plasma physics mentor, how do you tear a plasma? Same process used to tear the very fabric of space-time?

In this process the magnetic field lines in plasma—the gas-like state of matter consisting of free electrons and atomic nuclei, or ions—tear, come back together and release large amounts of energy
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Is this a special plasma physics term?
 
tusenfem said:
au contrair mon cher!
plasma physics is one of the most elegantly mathematical physical theories
though as a plasma(astro)physicist i might be prejudiced
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From the above paper...

Dr. Jara-Almonte developed a mathematical model that adds the behavior of neutral particles to previous simulations of fully ionized plasma. Powerful Princeton University computers then solved the equations, which determine the motion of billions of plasma particles
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Ahhh, mathamagicians. :D
 
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