2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

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Armitage72 said:
I mentioned in another thread that Trump's recent demand that everyone apologize to him for the impeachment inquiry reminded me of the final episode of "Preacher", in which God was shown to be an insecure, needy whiner who wanted everyone to tell Him that they love Him, regardless of what He had done to them.
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It's like this video. Watch it, its hilarious.

 
dudalb said:
The Dems need to nominate the candidate best able to take down Trump. Everything else is way down on the list.
I am not a big Biden fan but some of the comments here are realty cheap shots.
And indictive of the "we don't need no stinking moderates" attitude that, if it carries over into November 2020 will reelect Trump.
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Warren seems a good candidate to get behind if that's your worry. As kellyb mentioned, moderates and a bulk of progressives alike can rally behind her.

But I'm still hoping Sanders can get it together and take the lead because he'd defeat Donald Trump.
 
Venom said:
Warren seems a good candidate to get behind if that's your worry. As kellyb mentioned, moderates and a bulk of progressives alike can rally behind her.

But I'm still hoping Sanders can get it together and take the lead because he'd defeat Donald Trump.
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I worry a little that the media bias against Bernie would screw him out of getting elected in the general. It would depress the democratic vote. :(
 
Venom said:
Warren seems a good candidate to get behind if that's your worry. As kellyb mentioned, moderates and a bulk of progressives alike can rally behind her.

But I'm still hoping Sanders can get it together and take the lead because he'd defeat Donald Trump.
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I see that Sander's health is now a real issue seems to have eluded you.
 
Kestrel said:
Biden’s son isn’t running for office. Why the hell does this matter?
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Do you see evidence Biden is not pro-fossil fuels? Because his family connection
is the tip of an iceberg.

He has voted to continue fracking.

Vox: What’s Joe Biden going to do on climate change? Look at his record under Obama.
Biden introduced the first Senate bill on climate change. Here’s what he’s done since.
As Reuters reported earlier this month, Biden is expected to seek a “middle ground” with a proposal to “appeal to both environmentalists and the blue-collar voters who elected Donald Trump.”

That means he is unlikely to back the Green New Deal, a sweeping resolution and set of principles for decarbonizing the US economy introduced in February that has earned the endorsement of some of his competitors, including Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Pete Buttigieg....

...But the climate crisis is undoubtedly the toughest environmental challenge yet. And critics say Biden’s pursuit of a compromise as a presidential candidate conflicts with policy that would truly address the problem. ...

Ahead of the United Nations meeting to finalize the Paris climate agreement in 2015, Biden gave several speeches highlighting US progress in fighting climate change and calling for more aggressive action.

But during the same time, the Obama administration did little to thwart the growth of fossil fuels in the United States. Obama presided over the largest expansion of natural gas production in US history, lifted the 40-year-old crude oil export ban, licensed liquefied natural gas export terminals, and openly boasted about low gas prices. He even criticized Mitt Romney in 2012 for saying that a coal plant kills people.
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IOW, he's telling the public one thing while accepting big oil money.

I have never agreed the Democrats are little different from the GOP. But Biden is nothing but the same old inaction when it comes to the impending climate disaster because he is entrenched in the oil business-as-usual.

This is the bottom line: CNBC: Joe Biden allies expect natural gas company founder to remain co-host of fundraiser despite climate outcry
Joe Biden’s associates still expect Andrew Goldman, who co-founded a natural gas company, to serve as co-host for a fundraiser for the Democratic presidential candidate Thursday evening, despite Biden’s pledge to refuse money from fossil-fuel executives.
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Maybe he doesn't get it that natural gas is a fossil fuel. Perhaps he's unaware of the methane released into the atmosphere with natural gas extraction.

Biden denied knowing that said fundraiser was an executive in the oil & gas industry.

Throughout the Wednesday town hall, Biden was ripped on social media by a host of climate change activists and progressive critics. Naomi Klein, author of “On Fire: The (Burning) Case for a Green New Deal,” claimed that Biden’s opposition to banning fracking is related to his connection with Goldman, who was once a senior advisor to Biden during his U.S. Senate days.
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The guy worked for Biden yet Biden claims to not know:
Goldman is listed as a co-founder of Western LNG on the company’s website, alongside entries for the firm’s CEO and senior vice president.
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It's the same old crap, pretend you are a people's candidate, when really you are a big business candidate because that's where the money comes from.
 
dudalb said:
The Dems need to nominate the candidate best able to take down Trump. Everything else is way down on the list.
I am not a big Biden fan but some of the comments here are realty cheap shots.
And indictive of the "we don't need no stinking moderates" attitude that, if it carries over into November 2020 will reelect Trump.
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Yes but several of them have a good chance of beating Trump. We should not be fear-mongered into voting for Biden.

Especially given Biden has a lot of vulnerabilities and I'm not talking about this fake corruption claim.
 
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Aridas said:
Elizabeth Warren calls out Zuckerberg over new Facebook ad policies after his meeting with Trump

I'm mildly surprised that I haven't seen more of the Democratic candidates hammer at this.
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So what’s going to be the Democratic strategy
for countering Facebook’s avowed willingness to run fake ads? I’d rather know they were working out a plan than just listening to them complain. There’s got to be a party-wide strategy to counter all the fake crap that Zuckerberg is willing to tolerate. They could always just tell their own lies about Trump. I’m not sure they *should* do that but they ought to be looking at some options.

And I don’t think vowing to split up tech giants is something they should be running on to begin with. Taking a hard look at monopolistic behavior, yes, but not splitting big companies just because they’re big. Maybe some companies deserve that but I think it’s silly to make a bunch of powerful enemies at this point.

They need to be finding out how social media can help them, not taking aim at platforms.
 
Minoosh said:
They need to be finding out how social media can help them, not taking aim at platforms.
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No. This is the chance for American opposition to Trump to grab the opportunity and ensure this kind of crud doesn't happen again. Get someone who will actually make some changes.

Shift left.

(Go the Cougar!)

And wouldn't Trump being demolished by a woman be the ultimate prize? Like those ISIS filth who didn't like being shot by women.
 
Minoosh said:
So what’s going to be the Democratic strategy
for countering Facebook’s avowed willingness to run fake ads?
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The final strategy can't be figured out till we get closer to the general election, I think. Different candidates would do better with totally different strategies, and what happens with the Trump impeachment will have to figure in, too.

It wouldn't be smart to decide on a strategy now, so far out from the eventual "landscape" you'll be traversing, IMO.
 
Minoosh said:
So what’s going to be the Democratic strategy
for countering Facebook’s avowed willingness to run fake ads?
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Nevermind what I said before, Team Warren was on this like white on rice!


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/politics/elizabeth-warren-facebook-ad/index.html

A fresh series of Facebook ads this week by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren seeks to put the social media giant on the defensive — by telling a lie.

The ads, which began running widely on Thursday, start with a bold but obvious falsehood: That Facebook and its CEO Mark Zuckerberg have endorsed President Trump's reelection campaign.
"You're probably shocked," reads the ad, which has already reached tens of thousands of viewers nationwide. "And you might be thinking, 'how could this possibly be true?' Well, it's not."
The ad's own admission of a lie seeks to draw attention to a controversial Facebook policy Warren has spent days criticizing. Under the policy, Facebook exempts ads by politicians from third-party fact-checking — a loophole, Warren says, that allows Zuckerberg to continue taking "gobs of money" from Trump's campaign despite Trump's ads telling untruths about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Much better than Biden saying Trump is afraid of him.

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As I said, she's getting better. I like Biden and thought he was the "safe" bet. Maybe too safe. Warren has been my favorite candidate from a policy perspective. But shes been driving me crazy by doing politically stupid things like getting a DNA test to prove her ancestry. You don't respond to ridiculous trivia nonsense the GOP tosses at you. That only gives those things legs. What you do when they do that is laugh at them. You deride them humorously. Move on by saying anyone who wants to talk about that stuff when there are real problems are just trying to divert people's attention.
 
kellyb said:
The final strategy can't be figured out till we get closer to the general election, I think. Different candidates would do better with totally different strategies, and what happens with the Trump impeachment will have to figure in, too.

It wouldn't be smart to decide on a strategy now, so far out from the eventual "landscape" you'll be traversing, IMO.
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I just wonder if they could be doing some generic brand-building to counter all the vicious crap that's going to come their way. Simple, positive messages about what Democrats have accomplished and what they hope to accomplish.
 
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