Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

ceptimus, you seem to have missed my question from earlier. I'll ask it again: What advantages do you see to a No Deal Brexit when compared to remaining in the EU?

 

[3point14]

Breaking:

Boris way more in Putin's pocket than was suspected.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1182630203287363585.html


Farrage and the other anti-Europe terrorist don't vote.

Except just this once, just now, when they voted against a measure designed to fight foreign powers interfering in domestic politics.

I'm going with 'terrorists' and 'traitors'

 

[ceptimus]

ceptimus, you seem to have missed my question from earlier. I'll ask it again: What advantages do you see to a No Deal Brexit when compared to remaining in the EU?

It's more about the disadvantages of MPs and the government breaking their promises for me now. They promised that they would implement the result of the referendum - if they break that promise now by not leaving the EU then I think that will do lasting harm to our democracy.

And by leaving, I mean leaving soon. They've already broken their promises at least once (we were told many times we would leave on May 29th). For the last few months we've been told repeatedly that we'll leave on October 31st.

As the legal maxim has it, justice delayed is justice denied.

 

[ceptimus]

Why do you hate British parliamentary sovereignty?

Because the MPs, Lords, and officials that comprise parliament are mostly liars and/or incompetents who refuse or are unable to keep the promises they made to the electorate.

 

[Darat]

It's more about the disadvantages of MPs and the government breaking their promises for me now. They promised that they would implement the result of the referendum - if they break that promise now by not leaving the EU then I think that will do lasting harm to our democracy.

And by leaving, I mean leaving soon. They've already broken their promises at least once (we were told many times we would leave on May 29th). For the last few months we've been told repeatedly that we'll leave on October 31st.

As the legal maxim has it, justice delayed is justice denied.

Well that of course has to be recent reason, back in the day before the likes of Mogg and Smith were voting against leaving what was your view of what the advantages were?

 

[Lothian]

It's more about the disadvantages of MPs and the government breaking their promises for me now. They promised that they would implement the result of the referendum - if they break that promise now by not leaving the EU then I think that will do lasting harm to our democracy.

And by leaving, I mean leaving soon. They've already broken their promises at least once (we were told many times we would leave on May 29th). For the last few months we've been told repeatedly that we'll leave on October 31st.

As the legal maxim has it, justice delayed is justice denied.

Your reasons are full of ****. 9 times Boris voted against deals that would have taken us out on 29th May and you have supported that decision of his to betray the wishes of the British people. You then criticise not leaving on 29th May as a broken promise. You sum up leavers. Don't know what you voted for, don't know what you want. You don't understand how international agreements work, You don't understand the consequences of actions. You don't know anything other than how to criticise people for not delivering impossible promises of idiots.

 

[3point14]

Your reasons are full of ****. 9 times Boris voted against deals that would have taken us out on 29th May and you have supported that decision of his to betray the wishes of the British people. You then criticise not leaving on 29th May as a broken promise. You sum up leavers. Don't know what you voted for, don't know what you want. You don't understand how international agreements work, You don't understand the consequences of actions. You don't know anything other than how to criticise people for not delivering impossible promises of idiots.

Hear, hear. Can I steal it?

 

[ceptimus]

Your reasons are full of ****. 9 times Boris voted against deals that would have taken us out on 29th May and you have supported that decision of his to betray the wishes of the British people. You then criticise not leaving on 29th May as a broken promise. You sum up leavers. Don't know what you voted for, don't know what you want. You don't understand how international agreements work, You don't understand the consequences of actions. You don't know anything other than how to criticise people for not delivering impossible promises of idiots.

Careful! You don't want to get too worked up, you could suffer a nosebleed or worse!

May's deal was a crappy deal - almost everyone (except the EU) agreed on that and that's why it wouldn't pass. Thankfully May was eventually sacked. Now we at least have a government that seem serious about leaving and leaving properly - though of course, right now, they don't have the numbers to push it through.

 

[ceptimus]

Well that of course has to be recent reason, back in the day before the likes of Mogg and Smith were voting against leaving what was your view of what the advantages were?

I told you many times. Perhaps your memory is failing.

 

[GlennB]

Now we at least have a government that seem serious about leaving and leaving properly - though of course, right now, they don't have the numbers to push it through.

Simply leaving not quite good enough for you? It has to be 'properly'? Please define 'properly', and show where that definition appeared in the referendum campaign.

 

[Lothian]

Careful! You don't want to get too worked up, you could suffer a nosebleed or worse!

It is hard to judge emotion from the written word. Don't confuse ridicule with anger. I am not angry you hold your opinions. I am pointing out how ill informed they are.

May's deal was a crappy deal - almost everyone (except the EU) agreed on that and that's why it wouldn't pass. Thankfully May was eventually sacked. Now we at least have a government that seem serious about leaving and leaving properly - though of course, right now, they don't have the numbers to push it through.

Where on the referendum paper did it say we were not to leave on a crappy deal? The problem you are getting into ruling out crappy deals is in deciding what is crappy. That has to lead to the final exit arrangements (deal or no deal) being put to the people.

 

[Darat]

I told you many times. Perhaps your memory is failing.

Have you? Sorry but I don't recall - can you link to a post?

 

[Earthborn]

May's deal was a crappy deal - almost everyone (except the EU) agreed on that and that's why it wouldn't pass.

I think the EU knew it was going to be a crappy deal before anyone in the UK caught on. They certainly wouldn't have violated international law and its own founding principles just to give the UK a more sweetheart deal than it got while in the EU. May's deal was crappy but it was probably the best deal possible. Any other deal will look remarkably similar to it.

 

[Nessie]

Mays deal looked crappy only because membership of the EU is better than any and all possible deals. It is just about degrees of crap.

 

[Francesca R]

The GBP today seems to think that emerging noises mean EU-UK will do a deal that probably keeps NI in the EU customs union and that this can't be vetoed as time passes by unionist parties alone.

 

[dudalb]

Because the MPs, Lords, and officials that comprise parliament are mostly liars and/or incompetents who refuse or are unable to keep the promises they made to the electorate.

SO you want one man rule instead?
Nice.

 

[Garrison]

Because the MPs, Lords, and officials that comprise parliament are mostly liars and/or incompetents who refuse or are unable to keep the promises they made to the electorate.

And yet you don't seem to feel Johnson should honour the promises he made during the referendum campaign...

 

[Garrison]

On the matter of future trade deals can't say the recent fracas with the NBA and Blizzard give me a great deal of confidence when it comes to a deal with China, I mean the NBA has far more leverage with China than the UK...

 

[p0lka]

negotiations have ensued,

Looks like boris has had a quiet word with arlene foster regarding stormont and made the DUP rethink some borderlike things.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

If Ireland can live with it, the rest of the EU can probably, too.
But I don't trust Johnson not to renege on a deal as soon as he has a majority.