Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[P.J. Denyer]

The government tried to implement the decision and the ERG, DUP and Bojo at al prevented them from doing so.

What you're failing to understand is that in Brexit World you have to accept everything the losers of the vote warned about while the winners get to completely redefine their intended outcome.

 

[Blue Bubble]

Mrs Blue Bubble just sent me this:

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[FONT=&quot]We still want to wait until the end of October, if the Brexit comes. If so, it will be difficult and expensive for Professor .... to come to the UK, then a visa has to be applied for and it's not worth it for 1 day.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Best regards,[/FONT]

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[Samson]

What you're failing to understand is that in Brexit World you have to accept everything the losers of the vote warned about while the winners get to completely redefine their intended outcome.

Sqeegee Beckingham said it perfectly.
I will repeat without referring to their perfect post.

25 people entered a room.

13 wanted one outcome.
12 wanted one outcome.

the 13 won a straw poll.

Then they agreed they had differential wishes.

The 12 now claim that the 13 have run the clock and are statistically extinct.

 

[BadBoy]

That's pretty simplistic. First YOU should answer the question, 'Why are economics more important than anything else? Provide your justification of your assertion.'

Well, without trying to straw man you - because you just said "anything else" let me assume you mean economic migration.

Believe it or not I do think there is a limit to the amount of immigration - skilled or otherwise - a country can sustain without its population starting to feel resentful of a feeling of erosion of their culture. Having said that:

1. Population growth as skilled migration is important to grow an economy. Maybe that's not important to you? Fair enough but it seems that most general elections the economy is usually the punching bag most used by an opposition.

2. Many of the people I have listened to about this appear to conflate EU migrant workers with the recent decade long wave of asylum seekers, illegal immigrants and people migrating to the UK on skilled migration Visas - all of which has little to do with the EU - or could be negotiated within the EU. I admit this is anecdotal though.

3. I personally see British Nationalism as a nasty vein running through the UK and yet oddly paradoxical given the often British sense of fair play and fight for the underdog. I will always be an Englishman, sometimes proud, sometimes embarrassed but not because of some ill conceived Nationalism and blind allegiance to the Queen. The history of the UK (I think) can be seen in the filter of common men and women overcoming oppression and exploitation. I know this sounds like something from Socialist Worker but the fact remains Human Rights has roots in Britain, and they didn't come easily. See https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/what-are-human-rights/history-human-rights-britain. When I say I'm proud to be English, that's what I'm talking about, not some romantic glorification of a defunct colonial super power.

I'm no pacifist, but I wouldn't fight for my Queen. I would for my countries freedom and the freedoms of its people (within obvious limits of course - I'm generally against violence of any sort and certainly not to achieve ends) .

 

[GlennB]

"In an interview on ITV’s Peston last night Andrea Leadsom, the business secretary, suggested that, if Boris Johnson has to write a letter to the EU requesting a Brexit extension - which is what the Benn Act says he will have to do, if there is no deal - he might also send a second letter, making points intended to persuade EU leaders against granting an extension. "

Perhaps this was what Rasputin Cummings meant by being prepared to spend the last 2 weeks of October in the courts?

Still, it's massively dim of her to mention it. Or deliberate ****-stirring?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Secretary of State @BrandonLewis confirms that EU citizens in UK WILL be subject to full immigration enforcement and liable to removal if they miss Settled Status deadline in exclusive Interview with @StefanieBolzen in Germany's @welt

 

[Lothian]

More good news if there's a no-deal Brexit, travel insurance costs are going to rise because most EU countries will no longer accept EHIC cards.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49989227

No possible downside, only a considerable upside

In other good news OECD proposals to tax in the place of consumption looks set to come into effect in 2020, scuppering any North West European Island's plans to become a tax haven for international companies.

 

[The Don]

In other good news OECD proposals to tax in the place of consumption looks set to come into effect in 2020, scuppering any North West European Island's plans to become a tax haven for international companies.

In which case we'll push for BrOECDxit as well

 

[Lothian]

In which case we'll push for BrOECDxit as well

Given the OECD is not overseen by British courts we will not be giving up our sovereignty by joining such an undemocratic organisation.
That said the incentive for businesses to locate in a low tax UK will go if they still get taxed around the world.

 

[ohms]

"In an interview on ITV’s Peston last night Andrea Leadsom, the business secretary, suggested that, if Boris Johnson has to write a letter to the EU requesting a Brexit extension - which is what the Benn Act says he will have to do, if there is no deal - he might also send a second letter, making points intended to persuade EU leaders against granting an extension. "

Perhaps this was what Rasputin Cummings meant by being prepared to spend the last 2 weeks of October in the courts?

Still, it's massively dim of her to mention it. Or deliberate ****-stirring?

As usual, there's a David Allen Green post for that:

https://davidallengreen.com/2019/09/brexit-padfield-and-the-benn-act/

 

[Darat]

The best argument for not Corbyn in my view is that the caretaker PM (whose only tasks should be to get a brextension and call an election after that) should be essentially a technocrat who "doesn't want to be PM". Rather than the guy who wants to be the next PM. (I think it was you who made this argument)



But the other thing is that anyone is better than nobody, even Corbyn.

I agree.

 

[Darat]

You should understand the difference between the promises made by government and those made by campaigns.

That government hasn't been in power for quite some time. It is an unusual viewpoint that the current parliament should have to keep to what a previous government promised.

 

[catsmate]

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"The People" didn't for for exiting the EU without a deal, did they?

 

[catsmate]

I find it incredible that some in the UK still refuse to admit the UK geographically is part of Europe and the days of "splendid Isolation" are over.

The 'Imperial Delusion' is still strong with some.

 

[catsmate]

That's pretty simplistic.

First YOU should answer the question,

'Why are economics more important than anything else? Provide your justification of your assertion.'

Because economic reality effects everything else.

 

[catsmate]

Secretary of State @BrandonLewis confirms that EU citizens in UK WILL be subject to full immigration enforcement and liable to removal if they miss Settled Status deadline in exclusive Interview with @StefanieBolzen in Germany's @welt

One hopes he needs critical medical treatment provided by the NHS in November...

 

[Francesca R]

With respect to trading brexit in the markets, amazingly the conventional wisdom seems to be no deal bad (for GBP and FTSE, opposite for gilts), deal good, extension nothing much . . . .


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...w-to-trade-the-three-possible-brexit-outcomes

 

[ceptimus]

That government hasn't been in power for quite some time. It is an unusual viewpoint that the current parliament should have to keep to what a previous government promised.

Not when the incoming government (and the main opposition party for that matter) promised to honour the result of the referendum in their 2017 manifestos.

 

[The Don]

More Brexit good news, or more accurately another update on something which has been brought up repeatedly. In the event of a no-deal, Nissan would consider shutting down their complete European operations.

Japanese carmaker Nissan has warned that a no-deal Brexit could make its European business model unsustainable.

Nissan's European chairman, Gianluca de Ficchy, said if a 10% export tariff was introduced after the UK left the EU it would put its operations "in jeopardy".

This would be case if the UK moved to World Trade Organization (WTO) rules after Brexit, he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50000530

I suppose some Brexiteers may consider it a "win" because in addition to 7,000 jobs being lost in the UK, there would be 5,000 jobs lost in Spain as well.

 

[Garrison]

That government hasn't been in power for quite some time. It is an unusual viewpoint that the current parliament should have to keep to what a previous government promised.

It should also be borne in mind that a number of those making the promises during the referendum are the government now...