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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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dudalb said:
UH,no. Everything he did to become a dictator was perfectly legally under the constitution of the Weimar Republic, which was, obviously, a badly flawed document.
The enabling act was perfectly legal.
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No, it wasn't. Only in the loosest terms could you say that.

I grant you that many of the NAZI acts were given the veneer of being legally enacted,

Wikipedia said:
The law was enacted by the Reichstag (meeting at the Kroll Opera House), where non-Nazi members were surrounded and threatened by members of the SA and the SS. The Communists had already been repressed and were not allowed to be present or to vote, and some Social Democrats were kept away as well. In the end most of those present voted for the act, except for the Social Democrats, who voted against it.[5]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933


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The Atheist said:
Every single Kurd killed by the Turks will be directly attributable to Donald J Trump and his gutless enablers in the Republican Party.
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That’s bad enough, but completely abdicating custody of 11,000 ISIS prisoners - then suggesting they will escape and go to Europe - that is petulance to an insane degree. Literally insane.

Trump says he’ll want more than sanctions if Turkey doesn’t “do it” humanely. If anyone figures out what “it” is, please post.
 
The drumbeat from both sides must be echoing in Trump’s skull and I doubt this stuff is all going to blow over. He apparently just expected GOP senators to eat the steaming **** sandwich he served up. And the weird thing is, he doesn’t know what he’s done wrong.

The leaks will keep coming, and Trump will keep confirming them. He can’t help himself. Maybe something will finally put off some of his squishier supporters. I doubt if Turks killing Kurds will do it but you never know.
 
Craig4 said:
And can I just point out how screwed up you have to be if I'm the voice of reason on the topic of being anti Trump?
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I noticed that! You’ve gone right to the heart of the matter. I do hope that you’re partially wrong about Trump supporters and that some of the 40-45 percent will turn out to be redeemable once there’s a little blood in the water.
 
Donny's comments about the Kurds merely show his true colours again: He doesn't give a flying **** if some brown Muslims kill other brown Muslims in some place he's never heard of.

Oh, and his comments about the Kurds not helping at Normandy? Neither did the Australians or New Zealanders, even though we contributed significantly to the whole WW2 effort elsewhere. So are we also disposable in Donny's eyes? I think our PM needs to get his arse back in gear and remind Donny of what the word "ally" actually means. Not that it would do any good. Donny is a complete demented ignoramus, his mind is cracked and is leaking its rotten core now, and the sooner he is disposed of the better the whole world will be. Roll on impeachment, dismissal, conviction and imprisonment.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Donny's comments about the Kurds merely show his true colours again: He doesn't give a flying **** if some brown Muslims kill other brown Muslims in some place he's never heard of.

Oh, and his comments about the Kurds not helping at Normandy? Neither did the Australians or New Zealanders, even though we contributed significantly to the whole WW2 effort elsewhere. So are we also disposable in Donny's eyes? I think our PM needs to get his arse back in gear and remind Donny of what the word "ally" actually means. Not that it would do any good. Donny is a complete demented ignoramus, his mind is cracked and is leaking its rotten core now, and the sooner he is disposed of the better the whole world will be. Roll on impeachment, dismissal, conviction and imprisonment.
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Actually, it's impeachment, conviction and dismissal. (And in IMHO, conviction is not very likely).
As for imprisonment, that is a whole diferent can of worms then Impeachment.COngress cannot imprison anybody. Trump would have to be convicted by a criminal court for that..a whole different thing.
A president can be impeached and removed from office on charges that are not violations of criminal law..abuse of power, for instance.
And don't confuse impeachment in the US with a vote of no confidence in countires with a parliamentary system of government. In a Vote of No Confidence, you can remove a PM for any reason whatsoever;but for impeachment and convicntion a president has to have done something very much wrong, though not necessarly a criminal offense. A POTUS can be demented ignoramus, but you can't impeach him for that. That would be a case for the 25th Admendment.
 
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Minoosh said:
As disheartening as the rest of this FB post is, at the end the poster says Trump is “undeniably unfit.” Is this some tidbit that is supposed to throw Dems off the impeachment track, or is it a sincere sentiment? Because if it’s sincere, it’s a pretty big concession to make.

Fake meme? If so it’s kind of brilliant.
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He's sincere. He finds Trump's behavior very off-putting, but otherwise he supports most everything the trump Admin has done, including the pullout from Syria.

He didn't vote for Trump, but did a write-in (Condoleezza Rice). He's told me he might vote Trump the next time around just to give Liberals the finger.

Hos position on the Impeachment is that its a political move by the Democrats, and he hopes the SC knocks it down, cause it would be better to have an autocrat than the democrats in power. So whenever the subject of the Impeachment comes up, he tells me its just political theater and I'll have my chance to help oust Trump in 2020.
 
Minoosh said:
It doesn’t even take a spine IMO. Covering for him is going to be a liability before too long. That could be wishful thinking. But I think the odds are pretty good things will tip that way.
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A lot is going to depend on how many of the GOP base are Mickey Mouse Republicans...people who will support anybody in the White House who has a "r" in back of his name, and how many are the Personaltiy Cult Kool Aid Drinkers. The first might be convinced that Trump is not good for the party,and they could get what they want with Pence without all the baggage, but the second are hopeless.
 
Minoosh said:
I doubt if Turks killing Kurds will do it but you never know.
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It might cut into his support within the military. I'm pretty sure a hell of a lot of those guys know that the Kurds have been the only faction the US could actually trust in the area, and I expect they'll be put out by abandoning them.



Norman Alexander said:
Oh, and his comments about the Kurds not helping at Normandy? Neither did the Australians or New Zealanders, even though we contributed significantly to the whole WW2 effort elsewhere.
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Heck, Canada DID "help out" at Normandy, and we're still apparently a threat to his national security. It doesn't matter what the reality is, he'll find an excuse to do whatever he wants.
 
Horatius said:
It might cut into his support within the military. I'm pretty sure a hell of a lot of those guys know that the Kurds have been the only faction the US could actually trust in the area, and I expect they'll be put out by abandoning them.







Heck, Canada DID "help out" at Normandy, and we're still apparently a threat to his national security. It doesn't matter what the reality is, he'll find an excuse to do whatever he wants.
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GUess Donnie never heard of Juno Beach.....

Just read about a jounlists seeing US Special Forces soldiers in tears over this, and one saying "For the first time, I am ashamed to be an American".

I hope you rot in hell, Donald, I really do.
 
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Craig4 said:
Let's assume that Trump is not removed by the ballot box. What then is the justification for armed rebellion against a president elected as described in the Constitution. I'm not asking about him staying in power after losing the election or some maneuver to suspend or nullify the election.
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How will we know if the election was run fairly, what with Moscow Mitch ensuring no measures are taken to strengthen the election process against the numerous bad actors meddling--at Trump's express request.
 
Craig4 said:
Let's assume that Trump is not removed by the ballot box. What then is the justification for armed rebellion against a president elected as described in the Constitution. I'm not asking about him staying in power after losing the election or some maneuver to suspend or nullify the election.
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I assume that even if Dump wins the Electoral College vote, he will have lost the popular vote by more than in 2016. If that is the case, then I suspect the the National Popular Vote movement will succeed.

dudalb, if that scenario comes to pass, putting one's energy in permanently sidelining the Electoral College in a perfectly legal way without having to get a constitutional amendment passes is where everyone's energy should go.
 
I've said it here a couple of times already. Abandoning an ally to be slaughtered is a supreme betrayal. A monstrous crime. Particularly when the reason is specious, the motive suspect, and the price to do otherwise so absolutely minimal. All flags across the US should be lowered to half staff and half mast. I can understand the report of a Special Forces member in theater weeping over this. Every American with a conscience should be too. As a Canadian, I'm heartsick over this.
 
SezMe said:
I assume that even if Dump wins the Electoral College vote, he will have lost the popular vote by more than in 2016. If that is the case, then I suspect the the National Popular Vote movement will succeed.

dudalb, if that scenario comes to pass, putting one's energy in permanently sidelining the Electoral College in a perfectly legal way without having to get a constitutional amendment passes is where everyone's energy should go.
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2/3 of both houses is a heavy lift. And 2/3 of the state assemblies is an even heavier lift, especially in a world where Trump wins the electoral college. Doesn't sound feasible.
 
Craig4 said:
The violence that lead up to the vote certainly was not legal.
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Perhaps not all, but all the violence done on behalf of the state, by definition, was legal. And when the state looks the other way when the non-state actors committed violence, I think it's arguably legal too.



SezMe said:
Ya gotta be pretty desperate to have to go back 150 years to find a model member of your party. And, btw, Reagan seems to have disappeared from the ranks of Saints of the GOP.
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Isn't that a typical feature of Alzheimers and related brain problems? Trump's memories of childhood are much clearer than more recent occurrences.
 
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