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The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

No. You have done no mathematics for review.

Show us where you have done this.

If we where to contemplate what is between "1" and a second "1", which makes a "2", we would realize that what we thought of as a segment, is an infinity in itself. How about "π?" Let us use the scientific method. What is around us? The environment, molecules, protons neutrons etc. And beyond, as far as we can see, the horizon. And beyond, the stars! Now what's within the nucleus; within the protons and even the electrons? Other particles. And within them? Other particles comprising even what we imagine as the smallest of particles. How about beyond the universe? Following still the "scientific method", we have already recognized "patterns." Now we HAVE to extend them beyond the macrocosm and within the microcosm to Infinity! Why? Because according to math there is an Infinity between 1 and 2 (replicated pattern extending to Infinity). There is negative (-) infinity (infinite microcosm), and positive (+) Infinity (infinite macrocosm). Also considering the law of thermodynamics, we deduce that energy, because it cannot be created or destroyed, can neither be anything but INFINITE from EVERY perspective; microcosm, macrocosm, existence, magnitude etc., and yes so must be Matter and Intelligence. Reasonable step by step deduction we arrived to, due to recognizable patterns from our immediate environment, which following the example of units in math, we replicated infinitely!
 

Matthew,

Suppose you and I are sitting at Starbucks one rainy day, sipping some green tea, doing our favorite thing in life, debating each other on Cosmology...

After listening patiently to your oration on famous statements about well known scientists I say,

"Mat, I just had a Deja Vu, and I don't mean figuratively, as in 'we are running into circles here.' I mean I literally just saw this scene repeating itself!...

Now Mat, matey, I don't have any high hopes on a checkmate on this; because you are too stubborn to be convinced, even if Newton, Einstein, Hawking, and Aristotle himself, woke up from their graves, and we both saw them walking in through the Starbucks door, just for the sheer purpose.

I have already asked you that if time was a physical dimension, that you could travel forwards and backwards; if the present was not the only thing that existed even if only for an infinitesimally fraction of an attosecond; if the past was not just the memory, and the future the anticipation in our brains; then what shape would you give it? Had it been the shape of an infinitely branching bush (future), with a barely visible trunk (present), and infinitely branching roots (past); what then fractions of an attosecond would determine which holographs within the future branches we would fill, based on the fact that they will also be affected by all the other existences and arbitrary happenings through out the Universe, throughout the Infinite? In order for all the possibilities to be covered, we would be talking about infinite Universes, a replicated Infinite. Would the latter make sense to you mathematically?

But you like to refer to famous statements by famous Scientists/Physicists. Well then mate, let me try that venue, once again; prior to getting completely tired about stating the obvious and trying to prove the self- evident.

Assuming that light does travel (deriving everlasting energy who knows from where); assuming that light is not instead passed along by particles; or the transfer of energy from the light source causing instead one particle after the other tog each generate a photon - causing a particle within the bigger particle to move and therefore generate a further photon); then,

1) During Planck's minimum movement of the photon theory, there is no time during that movement (or infinitely small for as to be able or to care to measure).

2) According to Hawking, there is no time in the depths of a black hole.

3) According to Einstein, time is a relative matter (precisely because it is a matter of personal experience and gravitational influence in space and change/deteriorating rate - after all we all spin on Earth at the vertiginous speed (if the "merry go around was smaller") of 1500 km/h.

4) Hawking also stated that subatomic particles appear out of nowhere. So time does not exist till they appear, form a singularity and a Universe. But what is this "nowhere" Hawking referred to? The Infinite.

About the Deja Vu, if the arrow of time points towards one linear direction(tsk. if anything while things due deteriorate along the revolution and movement of anything within the Universe, the Universe in itself is more ordered than before, society better organized and people less ignorant), then how come both of us supposedly sitting face to face at Starbucks had a different experience of that same moment? You experienced the moment during my Deja vu linearly only once; and I experienced it twice, as if on my path their was a bump or a pothole? How come time goes fast when you are hoping from forum to forum commenting and criticizing other people's writings (have you written something of your own, I asked you this in the past, still waiting for an answer on that one too), whereas my time is stalled when I am bored out of my brains trying to explain the self-evident?

5) People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion, Einstein.
 
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I thought it was self evident, but if you insist;

A) Something caused the cause of the Universe.
B) Nothing caused the cause of the Universe.
C) I don't know.
D) None of the above, something else happened.

One of the above must be correct, logic does not allow for a 5th possibility.
Nope. Your possibilities are hopelessly restricted, which is surprising given your desire to consider infinites.

A) Something caused the cause of the universe
B) Nothing caused the cause of the universe
C) The universe doesn't have a cause
D) The universe has a cause, but that cause doesn't have a cause
E) I don't know, but people far more intelligent than me are devoting their lives to finding out
F) I don't know, and nobody is doing anything to find out more
G) None of the above

If my life depended on it, I'd pick E with a side of C.
 
Why do we, as humanity , need to know of or understand this Infinite?

What benefits do we now derive of this great knowledge you impart upon us that was not possible before?
I really am curious as to what it is we need of it.

The purpose of Infinitism is to attempt to answer, unanswered so far questions; and if not to bridge, at least fill/pad the gaps between opposing views; till something else is discovered and bridges do get built, or even streets and even cities upon the fills/padding.
 
Nope. Your possibilities are hopelessly restricted, which is surprising given your desire to consider infinites.

A) Something caused the cause of the universe
B) Nothing caused the cause of the universe
C) The universe doesn't have a cause
D) The universe has a cause, but that cause doesn't have a cause
E) I don't know, but people far more intelligent than me are devoting their lives to finding out
F) I don't know, and nobody is doing anything to find out more
G) None of the above

If my life depended on it, I'd pick E with a side of C.

"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination"

“To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks a real advance in science.”

“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinion courageously and honestly.”


Einstein.
 
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"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination"

“To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks a real advance in science.”

“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinion courageously and honestly.”

Einstein.
None of those quotes address anything I said, nor make any kind of commentary on what you chose to bold in my answer.
 
D) allows only for one/two possibilities:

1) The Universe was always there.
2) The Universe is infinite.

See Hawking's theory about that.

The fact that you are basing any of this on possibilities means that "we don't know" is presently the correct answer. I'm sure scientists will get back to us when it's not.
 
Nope. Your possibilities are hopelessly restricted, which is surprising given your desire to consider infinites.

A) Something caused the cause of the universe
B) Nothing caused the cause of the universe
C) The universe doesn't have a cause
D) The universe has a cause, but that cause doesn't have a cause
E) I don't know, but people far more intelligent than me are devoting their lives to finding out
F) I don't know, and nobody is doing anything to find out more
G) None of the above

If my life depended on it, I'd pick E with a side of C.


None of those quotes address anything I said, nor make any kind of commentary on what you chose to bold in my answer.

You got to read between the lines;

as in...

A) Something caused the cause of the universe - The Universe was formed from within the Infinite.
B) Nothing caused the cause of the universe - The cause of the Universe is the Infinite.
C) The universe doesn't have a cause - It always existed in one form or another, as a part of the Infinite.
D) The universe has a cause, but that cause doesn't have a cause - The cause of the Universe is the Infinite.
E) I don't know, but people far more intelligent than me are devoting their lives to finding out - Searching in vain, following a step by step infinite reversal, which simply points to the Infinite); the Infinite has no end, no beginning, no limits and no gaps.
F) I don't know, and nobody is doing anything to find out more - Because they realize they cannot follow a step by step infinite reversal, which simply would lead to the Infinite; the Infinite has no end, no beginning, no limits and no gaps.
G) All of the above - There are infinite possibilities within the Infinite, as to how the Universe could have come to be; the sure thing is, that the Universe somehow came to be out of the Infinite.


If my life depended on it, I'd pick E with a side of C.

Now that you've added your input; and I, responding to your input, added mine; I'd go with G).
 
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"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination"

“To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks a real advance in science.”

“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinion courageously and honestly.”


Einstein.

In this case shameless ego inflation by an unsinkable rubber duck. There are four others with theories to upset all science currently here. Get in line.
 
In this case shameless ego inflation by an unsinkable rubber duck. There are four others with theories to upset all science currently here. Get in line.

What good would it do to someone who contemplates the Infinite, if she or he was to "inflate" his/her ego? If my theory is a "rubber duck" why is it then "unsinkable?"
 
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."CALCULUS PROVES INFINITY, I SIMPLY APPLIED IT TO EXISTENCE, INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY AND MATTER NON OF WHICH COULD SPRING OUT OF AN ABSOLUTE NOTHING AND NOWHERE, AND FORM/EVOLVE FROM ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN FROM WITHIN THE INFINITE."

....later, when asked to show his calculations :p

True I have not had the chance to delve in the depths of calculus, yet.

Soooo.......you have proved your infinity theory is correct, using calculus, while simultaneously not knowing what calculus is?

Do you think this is because you are insane or just a non-stop liar?
:p
 
......As time goes by, I'll be researching the subject .......
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12822499&postcount=1
...time does not exist
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12840776&postcount=110

You really can't remember anything you posted a day ago, can you? :p

Matthew, Obviously you can tell the difference between the above two statements; .
Yes. I can tell you are lying and don't believe your own religious crap claim, that time doesn't exist. :p

You can't do any basic mathematics, while claiming you proved your claim using mathematics,
You can't remember what you posted a day ago,
You can't set out your infinity religion in any cohesive manner,
You keep spamming your crap on science forums to get attention,

Shall we cut to the chase where you claim your infinity religion is evidence of god?
:p
 
You got to read between the lines;
The lines you simply made up?

as in...

Now that you've added your input; and I, responding to your input, added mine; I'd go with G).
Of course. It matters not a whit how many possibilities exist, you automatically eliminate all in favour of the only one you want. This is commonly known as bias.

I could add several more likely possibilities off the top of my head. It would boot nothing. You would still reject all for you favourite without considering anything else. It matters not if any presents any other possibility, you simply reject it in favour of the only one that you have already decided is the only explanation.

How can I know this? Because you have already done it. The evidence is in this very thread and you cannot deny or edit it now, so no reboot for you.
 
Now Mat, matey, I don't have any high hopes on a checkmate on this;
I know. You previously had your account deleted and all your posts removed by the moderator at the Skeptic Society forum, to hide your previous idiotic claims.:p

I have already asked you that if time was a physical dimension,
No. I had to explain to you that time started with the creation of dimensions in the Big Bang. You thought the big bang was an explosion in an empty space.......you still do. :p

Assuming that light does travel (deriving everlasting energy who knows from where);
Why would an electromagnetic wave "slow down" if nothing is retarding it? You really don't understand basic science and physics. :p

According to Hawking, there is no time in the depths of a black hole.
Same as the singularity from which the big bang inflated from..... you are slowly learning from me. :p

People like us, who believe in physics, .....
You don't know anything about physics. In this very post you couldn't grasp how light maintains its speed. You think it needs continual energy input. :eek:
 
I know. You previously had your account deleted and all your posts removed by the moderator at the Skeptic Society forum, to hide your previous idiotic claims.:p


You keep on bringing this up in desperate attempts to score a point, I wrote a blog 10 YEARS AGO, and decided to edit it and post it in one thread; so what of it, I asked to have it removed, it was mine, I didn't plagiarize. And even if it was no "War and Peace," so what? Stop living in the past and focus on the present.


No. I had to explain to you that time started with the creation of dimensions in the Big Bang. You thought the big bang was an explosion in an empty space.......you still do. :p

Again, this statement only proves that "time" does not exist and it definitely did not exist prior to the particles forming the singularity (forming briefly from smaller particles from within the Infinite - which Hawking describes as "nothing" - and de-form back to smaller particles into the Infinite - disappear into "nothing" according to Hawking - unless they form a singularity); time is only an illusion of the effect of gravity, which takes place AFTER the formation of the singularity. According to Hawking, there were particles, before the formation of the singularity; there was something BUT THERE WAS NO GRAVITY AND THEREFORE NO TIME-EFFECT (illusion).



Whole statement:

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True I have not had the chance to delve in the depths of calculus, yet.
But you bragging about having extensive knowledge of "Maths" how do you neglect, or rather pretend not to notice that,

The main reason Calculus was invented, was to approach mathematically the Unapproachable (the infinite as far as we humans could ever calculate), such as, Instantaneous Velocity.

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True I have not had the chance to delve in the depths of calculus, yet.
....later, when asked to show his calculations :p

.......you have proved your infinity theory is correct, using calculus, while simultaneously not knowing what calculus is? :p


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5) People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion, Einstein.

People like us, who believe in physics, .....

If this is about you having the last word Matthew Ellard, at least don't cut what I write in half, to change the meaning of what I said and score a cheap point.

You don't know anything about physics. In this very post you couldn't grasp how light maintains its speed. You think it needs continual energy input. :eek:

Why would an electromagnetic wave "slow down" if nothing is retarding it? You really don't understand basic science and physics. :p

Photons constantly bump on objects. If the objects have some energy, some of the energy of the photons may be saved, if the objects have no energy the energy of the photon is completely absorbed till a new and more photons can add to the energy, for further photons to continue the "trip"; and in my opinion, particles of the surface to continue generating new photons.

Same as the singularity from which the big bang inflated from..... you are slowly learning from me. :p

The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance. Einstein.

I knew about Hawking before you honored the skeptic forums with your presence. I have no issues with any of the various possible and different explanations of the formation of the Universe. The only issue I have is that they start from "Nothing" without explaining how could that ever be possible! Hawking says "particles pop in and out of "nothing." No they do not! Particles ALWAYS form from smaller particles! It is just that Hawking could not fathom such an admission, perhaps because he knew he would lose a lot of clout in the science circles, that is perhaps why he merely implied it. I personally cannot FATHOM that such an intelligent man, could have believed such NONSENSE! He may have been an Atheist, but he could NOT have simply ignored to weigh the possibilities of particles out of the Infinite vs particles out of "nothing" and tilt, in the depths of his mind, in favor of the particles out "nothing" choice!

Hawking simply did not make the leap and connection in his mind to allow to "let the religious people believe in a God - superior being or organization of superior beings within our galaxy, a number of galaxies, our Universe, or cluster of Universes; let the philosophers believe that God is the Infinite - without any needs, wants or demands, such as to be loved, worshiped, glorified or have faith to; and let the rest of the people believe that the Infinite is just that, the Infinite!"
 
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I know. You previously had your account deleted and all your posts removed by the moderator at the Skeptic Society forum, to hide your previous idiotic claims.:p
You keep on bringing this up in desperate attempts to score a point,
Nope. I keep reminding everyone that you did this to hide your previous spams that your "infinities of infinities nonsense" is somehow proof there is a god. :p

tazanastazio a day ago said:
time doesn't exist
tazanastazio today said:
Stop living in the past and focus on the present.
This is evidence you don't believe anything you post at all. You just post random nonsense. :p


I knew about Hawking before you honored the skeptic forums with your presence.
No. You said you would read "A brief history of time" three years ago and tell us the errors. You never came back. You simply copied your spam onto another forum and started posting your nonsense again.


Hawking says "particles pop in and out of "nothing." No they do not!
No. There are many experiments proving Quantum Fluctuation. You haven't read Hawking's works at all. :p
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Particles ALWAYS form from smaller particles! It is just that Hawking could not fathom such an admission
No. Scientists performed experiments to prove the theory. You refuse to read about these experiments. :p
 
Assuming that light does travel (deriving everlasting energy who knows from where);
Light does travel.....at the speed of light......did you forget again?

Light does not need any input of energy to maintain its constant velocity.

You really don't understand basic mathematics or physics at all.
:p

Photons constantly bump on objects. If the objects have some energy, some of the energy of the photons may be saved,
Complete gibberish. :p
 
Nope. I keep reminding everyone that you did this to hide your previous spams that your "infinities of infinities nonsense" is somehow proof there is a god. :p

This is evidence you don't believe anything you post at all. You just post random nonsense. :p

This sounds almost as silly as saying that Bill Gates didn't believe in Windows 1.0 or even in Windows XP. :)
 
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Nope. I keep reminding everyone that you did this ( deleted all your earlier posts) to hide your previous spams that your "infinities of infinities nonsense" is somehow proof there is a god. :p
This sounds almost as silly as saying that Bill Gates didn't believe in Windows 1.0 or even in Windows XP. :)

Nope. It sounds more like a typical religious spammer, deleting their earlier debunked arguments so they can spam them all over again. The forum expression for this activity is called a "fringe reset". That's exactly what you are doing and why your opening post was edited in this very thread. :p
 
Nope. I keep reminding everyone that you did this to hide your previous spams that your "infinities of infinities nonsense" is somehow proof there is a god. :p

This is evidence you don't believe anything you post at all. You just post random nonsense. :p
This sounds almost as silly as saying that Bill Gates didn't believe in Windows 1.0 or even in Windows XP. :)
Or asking where energy gets its energy? Because that is what you are asking.

Light is energy. It doesn't have to get it's energy from anywhere because it already is energy.
 

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