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How do psychic mediums know stuff about you

AmyW said:
Ahh I see, I just can't fathom why these people want to lie purely for money!!
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For the same reason that my house was broken into this summer and thousands of dollars worth of my possessions stolen.


[sarcasm] Clearly it wasn't because of the money they could get for selling stuff, was it? [/sarcasm]
 
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AmyW said:
Thank you :-)
This is why I have a fear of God existing because she claimed that God created me as academically unintelligent, after the reading I felt awful, felt like id become my own worst enemy. Stopped reading and started to believe I was thick and couldn't learn new things because God created me as academically inept.
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Suppose there were a god, and suppose there were psychics and mediums, its also possible that person was;

* getting her signals crossed.

* in bad mood.

* having a bad day

* a fake.

* a jerk.

* a fake and a jerk.


Do keep on reading. More, even, for good measure
 
Amy, the more you detail the experience something becomes clear.

Cold reading, hot reading. You tipped the charlatan you felt thick and she detailed in the rest. They always add god because it's giving them a more direct connection or deeper understanding of god than you have.

And most people that use her services believe in a god. It's fishing in a barrel.

As for being thick anything beyond basic math I find difficult. Almost impossible. But others can't do other things I can do easily. It's just being wired differently.
 
Thanks guys, how do these mediums convince themselves they are not lying. Do they really believe themselves that they can speak to a dead person?
 
Budda do you really suppose mediums could be real?

Good point Xterra :-)
 
AmyW said:
Thanks guys, how do these mediums convince themselves they are not lying. Do they really believe themselves that they can speak to a dead person?
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I think that some do sincerely believe they hear voices. It seems to be a very easy delusion to acquire.

I've done writing professionally. Technical writing, press releases, historical documents, briefings and speeches. Many of the speeches were for others to deliver. To do that successfully I would try to imagine what the speaker would say, and how they would sound, when in conversation. I'd have that imaginary conversation in my head, then type that out. With practice I could hear the persons voice, and carry on a two conversation. However, I knew it was all in my head.

I think some people start with the question: "What would he say if he were here?" and go from there to thinking that the voice in their head comes from outside.
 
AmyW said:
Thanks guys, how do these mediums convince themselves they are not lying. Do they really believe themselves that they can speak to a dead person?
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Some people are very empathic, they pick up on body language etc, and can consequently cold read without even realising they're doing it. Add the Forer Effect - remember that 90% of people given any personalised reading, believing it to be their personalised reading, will rate it as accurate - and you'll see how someone can convince themselves they have a paranormal ability. Do it enough and they might even start to "hear" the information they're cold reading in their head, as Pope130 says. Hearing voices is surprisingly common, and isn't always regarded as a symptom of mental illness.

https://www.hearing-voices.org/
 
AmyW said:
Thanks guys, how do these mediums convince themselves they are not lying. Do they really believe themselves that they can speak to a dead person?
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I have told my story of messages I have received through mediums many times on this forum already, but atheists cannot even consider a medium might be genuine, because it would shatter their world.

As far as I am concerned some mediums can talk to the spirits of the departed.
 
Scorpion said:
I have told my story of messages I have received through mediums many times on this forum already, but atheists cannot even consider a medium might be genuine, because it would shatter their world.
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No. The skeptics have given you their reasons for not believing in "genuine" mediums -- that there is no evidence for any, and the "genuine" mediums seem reluctant to cooperate in controlled tests. That is the stated reason of the "atheists." Why do you insist on making up new reasons that paint your critics as brittle and closed-minded? How many of your threads here, would you say, have as their motive simply to insult people who disagree with you?
 
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That's crazy, Scorpion it's a delusional world they live in. Can you explain why there are mediums who basically go on to admit it was all fake and they weren't real? Mediums are nothing more than either frauds or deluded, I am just trying to 're educate myself, hence why I am on a skeptic forum and not a spiritual one, which I think would suit you more :-)
 
AmyW said:
That's crazy, Scorpion it's a delusional world they live in. Can you explain why there are mediums who basically go on to admit it was all fake and they weren't real? Mediums are nothing more than either frauds or deluded, I am just trying to 're educate myself, hence why I am on a skeptic forum and not a spiritual one, which I think would suit you more :-)
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I have had many personal very evidential messages through different mediums in different churches from the 1960s onwards. The sum of my experience is some mediums are genuine, and they told me facts about myself and my family.

The most evidential message I had was from a brother who I did not even know I had, who died as a baby in the war. When a medium gave me a message from him, and gave me his name, it was the first I had ever heard of him. My mother had never spoken of it, and my mother had never been to the church.
 
JayUtah said:
No. The skeptics have given you their reasons for not believing in "genuine" mediums -- that there is no evidence for any, and the "genuine" mediums seem reluctant to cooperate in controlled tests. That is the stated reason of the "atheists." Why do you insist on making up new reasons that paint your critics as brittle and closed-minded? How many of your threads here, would you say, have as their motive simply to insult people who disagree with you?
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I suppose most of my threads are a thinly veiled assault on the bastions of atheism. Well I take my fair share of put downs on this forum, so since its only one of me against all of you I figure I am doing ok.
 
Scorpion said:
I suppose most of my threads are a thinly veiled assault on the bastions of atheism. Well I take my fair share of put downs on this forum, so since its only one of me against all of you I figure I am doing ok.
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Would it be fair then to say that your participation here is an exercise in pretending you're being so very cruelly persecuted for all the troubles you can't help but whine about constantly? Remember when I asked whether you knew about the victimization complex among some religious people, and you decided to pretend I'd never brought it up?

I dare you to participate in at least one thread here that doesn't result in you running through all your anecdotes for the umpteenth time and begging for sympathy and unwarranted credence. See if it's possible for you to "assault... the bastions of atheism" with facts and reason instead of saying "Me! Me! Me!" all the time.
 
JayUtah said:
Would it be fair then to say that your participation here is an exercise in pretending you're being so very cruelly persecuted for all the troubles you can't help but whine about constantly? Remember when I asked whether you knew about the victimization complex among some religious people, and you decided to pretend I'd never brought it up?

I dare you to participate in at least one thread here that doesn't result in you running through all your anecdotes for the umpteenth time and begging for sympathy and unwarranted credence. See if it's possible for you to "assault... the bastions of atheism" with facts and reason instead of saying "Me! Me! Me!" all the time.
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There you go, putting me down again while recently accusing me of insulting
you all. Well I am working on another thread about whether science is discovering mysticism through quantum physics. I am currently reading.
'the Tao of physics' by Fritjof Capra as background info.
 
AmyW said:
Can you explain why there are mediums who basically go on to admit it was all fake and they weren't real?
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Or worse, mediums who swear up and down that they can talk to spirits, and then get caught blatantly faking it. They manage to convince a bunch of people with seemingly astounding feats. Does that mean they were genuine mediums right up to the point where they got caught?

...not a spiritual one, which I think would suit you more :-)
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Some people feel validated by the notion that others are persecuting them, often for what seem like ideological reasons. They feel they're somehow on the right track, or privy to the "absolute truth," if someone is actively opposing them.
 
Scorpion said:
There you go, putting me down again while recently accusing me of insulting
you all. Well I am working on another thread about whether science is discovering mysticism through quantum physics. I am currently reading.
'the Tao of physics' by Fritjof Capra as background info.
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My spirit guide is telling me something. He says your theory will be pathetically lacking in any merit whatsoever. Does that mean anything to you?
 
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