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Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p3

- I don't care that Botham Jean's brother hugged Amber Guyger. I'm not about to Whitesplain to a grieving black family that they aren't being the proper amount of forgiving. White people being more offended then the minorities they are offended over is already a cancer on Progressivism and I have zero intent of adding to it. If Botham Jean's brother wants to hug Amber Guyger, either as part of his healing process or just because he goddamn wants to, so be it.

- It however effects my opinion of Amber Guyger exactly zero percent. It doesn't absolve her, doesn't make me feel sorry for her, doesn't make me sympathize with her, nothing like that.

- The judge basically witnessing to Guyger bugs me, but it's not worth having a hernia over on the grand scale of religious posturing by government officials, especially since she had no control over the light sentencing which is the only thing about this trial that bothers me.
 
William Parcher said:
This could be true, but my recollection of the articles is that the brother hugged her and told her that he loves her. I don't recall articles saying that he also told her that he forgives her. This could be true but I'm wondering if you have a citation.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/botham-jean-brother-amber-guyger-hug/index.html

"If you truly are sorry -- I know I can speak for myself -- I, I forgive you," he told Guyger.

"And I know if you go to God and ask Him, He will forgive you," he said.
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More of a man than me.
 
Belz... said:
I don't.
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I find it interesting that people in the cheap seats are seeking revenge. Something the jurors didn't feel. In fact, they felt the opposite.
"I felt like this case was not like any other case," Juror 34 said. "You can't compare this case to any of those other officers killing unarmed black men. Those officers that kill unarmed black men, when they got out, they went back to living their lives. Amber Guyger, ever since she killed that man, she has not been the same. She showed remorse in that she's going to have to deal with that for the rest of her life."

But Juror 21 wasn't convinced the totality of the case amounted to a lengthy sentence.

"They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham," he said, "and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek."

After the sentence was read, the decision by Botham Jean's younger brother, Brandt Jean, to tell Guyger that he forgave her and ask for a hug — which the judge allowed, amounting to an emotional, minute-long embrace — hit home for jurors.

"It kind of helped us feel like we ended up in the right decision," Juror 21 said
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Great now we're revenged obsessed for wanting shooting someone sitting in their home for literally no reason to actually be considered a crime and not "Oops LOL silly me."

Again the "Pound of Flesh" arguments look really bad in this discussion.
 
JoeMorgue said:
- I don't care that Botham Jean's brother hugged Amber Guyger. I'm not about to Whitesplain to a grieving black family that they aren't being the proper amount of forgiving.
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Why is it whitesplaining, just because the audience of the explanation is black? Compassion isn't a racial attribute - it's common to all humans regardless of skin color, genetic heritage, etc.

The idea that you can't talk to people of other skin colors or subcultures about issues common to all humans seems profoundly racist to me.

"Normally this would be something I'd want to address, but I can't talk to you about it because you're black. Sorry."
 
theprestige said:
Why is it whitesplaining, just because the audience of the explanation is black? Compassion isn't a racial attribute - it's common to all humans regardless of skin color, genetic heritage, etc.

The idea that you can't talk to people of other skin colors or subcultures about issues common to all humans seems profoundly racist to me.

"Normally this would be something I'd want to address, but I can't talk to you about it because you're black. Sorry."
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I have no opinion about that.
 
Having nothing concrete to base this on the whole 'we forgive you' thing feels a bit too soon. If Quickdraw had read some sort of closing statement of her own where she copped to having massively screwed up, or if she especially made a statement of apology toward the family that be one thing. But this soon after sentencing feels like they both pulled the trigger (no pun) too soon on showing sympathy/forgiveness. That's just me speaking as a total outsider. Things are probably quite different for those involved.

As to the judge expressing sympathy : it was after both trial and sentencing had occurred so I don't see what's so hugely inappropriate about it. It was after the point where there could be any more influence on the outcome, so fair game, apart from the above-mentioned soon-ness of things.
 
acbytesla said:
I find it interesting that people in the cheap seats are seeking revenge. Something the jurors didn't feel. In fact, they felt the opposite.
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I almost don't want to hear what the jurors thought. In that quote, J34 sounds like they are interpreting this as a racial issue, which is not the case. J21 sounds like they are interpreting it religiously. I would be much more reassured that they deliberated based on law.
 
Botham's brother did not want her to go to jail...

ABC News said:
..."I love you just like anyone else and I'm not going to hope you rot and die," Brandt Jean told Guyger. "I personally want the best for you. I wasn't going to say this in front of my family, I don't even want you to go to jail. I want the best for you because I know that's exactly what Botham would want for you. Give your life to Christ. I think giving your life to Christ is the best thing Botham would want for you."...
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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/bot...otional-courtroom-hug-amber/story?id=66055688
 
Throughout this is the assumption that Guyger wasn't already a Christian devotee and hadn't already "given her life to Christ". Maybe it's known that she isn't that but I haven't seen it reported.
 
I'm sure if I start pulling at the strings I can find all kind of reasons to dislike the motivation of the people on the jury, the judge, and the extended families of everyone involved and so forth to the point of considering moral questions about the guy who filled the soda machine in the jury break room during jury deliberations dated a girl in high school who's brother walked the dog of a Nazi or something.

I just have zero reason to want to do that. I'm not looking at Amber Guyger being found guilty of murder as a problem to be fixed and have no reason to look for something about it to get upset about.
 
Daily Mail said:
'After hearing about how his family talked about him... he was kind and caring and forgiving. I told everyone, I'm really having a hard time with this because we all agree it was a mistake and I don't Bo would want to take harsh vengeance,' the male juror said...
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...mber-Guygers-case-speak-10-year-sentence.html

The jury thought it was a mistake. This is different than many on this forum have said - so many here said it isn't and can't be a mistake because it was intentional. She said she intended to kill him so it can't be a mistake.

I had always maintained that it was a tragic mistake. Guyger never intended to kill a man in his own home.
 
That's been on of my biggest unanswered question.

If it was just a "Horrible mistake" why punish her at all? Surely punishing someone for an "honest mistake" is more a vengeance fueled demand for your pound of flesh then someone who expects a murder to serve a longer sentence then the length of the Fast & Furious franchise.
 
Belz... said:
It might. But you didn't ask me that.
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I asked you what you meant by what was to me an ambiguous comment. Your answer immediately clarified that it wasn't that (not caring about the brother). From my perspective, as a practical matter, I did ask you that and got an answer that was both germane and explanatory.

Not only that, but now that I know what you meant by the ambiguous comment, it's no longer ambiguous to me. I understand your position and am happy to move on to some other point. From my perspective, this exchange has been hugely successful and productive.
 
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