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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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I don't normally watch the Maddow show but this episode put the whole thing is very clear perspective. Very, very well done.

Go here and click on the tab labeled, "Trump fixation on exonerating Russia entangles Barr, Pompeo"

I came away with the conclusion that Trump is a Russian asset, probably because he owes them (tens of ??) millions of dollars.
Yeah, I ain't buying it. Maybe tangentially Trump thinks it's good to say Russia should be exonerated. That makes him look like he's being the noble friend and no way is it about Trump's ego. No sir, not confident Mr Trump. :rolleyes:
 
the entirely strategy is to leave no narrative of your opponent uncontested, no matter how feeble the objection.
As long as he and his surrogates pretend there is still dispute about Russia 2016, the rest of the world has to spare messaging resources to debunk him.
 
Why is Trump trying to undermine the credibility of the Mueller report that he says exonerates him? Why is he still trying to find the DNC server? Because if he can blame the hacking on someone other than the Russians, then he can lift the sanctions that were imposed because of that.

Sounds about right. He's been trying to find a pretext to end the sanctions since before Day 1.



That's really insane.

Can Barr be impeached as well?

Fairly certainly. He's also shown that he deserves it soooooo much. A fair bit of jail time might also be warranted.

it's hard for me to imagine that Barr isn't ******* his pants that Trump is implicating him in unethical activities in at least 3 countries. Pompeo, he's already chosen his hill to die on and Giuliani can't be impeached. IMO it's only a matter of time before Trump starts implicating Pence as well. Although maybe whoever is writing Trump's tweets will try to leave Pence out of it trying to salvage him so he can still be held out as the GOP's go-to guy if they decide Trump is radioactive. If I were a Republican Senate candidate I'd be begging Trump and Pence not to campaign for me just now.

His base may not realize how bad these tweets are for his Cabinet members but those members probably aren't that naive. Barr especially must realize his balls are caught in a vise. I can't articulate all the reasons now, but if he cares about his law license, let alone his job, thing aren't looking great for him. I don't think it's overstatement to say his best option may be to resign immediately.

Hmm... honestly, he might well already be in much too deep for resigning to shield him from criminal prosecution. Like Trump, his best remaining bet may well be to stay in a position where he can shield himself for as long as possible.


You know what would be neat?
If we taught critical thinking in schools.
That would be neat.

It would!

Back in 2012, the Republican Party of Texas called for critical thinking to be removed from schools because it has "the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

Thank you for saving me the time. It was actually rather sad at the time, though. I brought it up to Republican friends and family and all of them immediately jumped to the unevidenced assumption that it was just opposing some nebulous and nefarious Democratic plot.

I had always thought it was religious folks who didn’t want their kids evaluating evidence as they considered the veracity of the Bible.

It's pretty much anyone who relies solely on authoritarian argument and blind faith. Religious folk are very strongly represented in that group, but are certainly not the whole group.



Yes. On the other hand, if Trump actually were cut off from his easy means to cause stochastic terrorism, imperil national security, and bring out the worst in all of us, that would also be doing all of us a favor, too.



I've been getting them for at least a year or so now. It stopped for a while but I just got a couple more the past couple of months.
Didn't they do this before?

They've been doing it for years. As noted, it's apparently barely legal, but... extremely unethical, to be kind.

Scary stuff but they would be wiped out in a HOT minute by the police, FBI, and/or National Guard and whatever all those other Homeland Security organizations are. Sad if they start a guerrilla war before they are stopped. But someone needs to remind them, the military is not with them.

Doesn't change that it's quite endangering just about everyone in the US, on top of being a pretty clear threat to anyone who wants to remove him. "If you remove me, I will tell my insane followers to murder and destroy - and you KNOW that they WILL do it."

Trump has now been Tweeting that this is a coup. He's just plain nuts.

He and his Republican sycophants have been saying that about all kinds of crap at least since he was elected. Wouldn't remotely surprise me if they started before the election, though.

:eye-poppi Dude! :eye-poppi What you just said! WTF?

I've had multiple Republicans flat out tell me that people who cross the border illegally should be shot. What he said isn't even remotely a stretch.
 
the entirely strategy is to leave no narrative of your opponent uncontested, no matter how feeble the objection.
As long as he and his surrogates pretend there is still dispute about Russia 2016, the rest of the world has to spare messaging resources to debunk him.

I think that the Russia link is more likely. It seems rather coincidental that Trump has attacked the Russian Sanctions for their invasion of the Ukraine, has called for the Russians to be allowed back in the G7 after they were kicked out because of their invasion of the Ukraine, has removed the funding for military upgrades to US bases and infrastructure that was supposed to show the US Allies that the US was supporting the against a more aggressive Russia, and he has been holding up military help to the Ukraine for "favours."

The Ukraine Government somehow got the idea in their heads that to get the Javelin missiles that were contracted to them, they needed to kill their investigations into Manifold, and end their helping Special Counsel Muller's investigation. They did it, and the missiles came through. Now we know that when they asked to but more, Trump asked for a favour, that they investigate and show that the Russian Interference in the 2016 Elections was really Ukrainian Interference and that it was ordered by Clinton, the DNC, and George Soros. He has also asked Australia for help to prove this.

That "proving" that it wasn't Russia in 2016, would allow him to remove the sanctions on them for that Interference, and in doing so, have undermined all the consequences applied to Russian for their attack on the Ukraine and the USA, all while making the Ukraine the bad guy which would allow for him to then stop aid and hand them over to Putin.

It all comes back to Russia!
 
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The Ukraine Government somehow got the idea in their heads that to get the Javelin missiles that were contracted to them, they needed to kill their investigations into Manafort, and end their helping Special Counsel Muller's investigation.

FTFY. Easy to make a little mistake after all the crap the Republicans have been doing, either way.
 
Tomorrow (Tuesday) it all blows up. IG demands a secret, secure meeting with several investigative committees. No way this is gonna be good for The PDJT.
It's a battle of the investigations. Trump has at least three running right now.
Horowitz investigating FBI
Durham investigating origins of Trump-Russia
Huber investigating Clinton foundation.

The Dems need to start a few more.
 
?..just like he knows his inauguration crowd was thin. He has to believe as long as he can convince people then reality doesn't count.



I imagine that you’ve not encountered a lot of people with mental issues. Children and people with diminished mental capacity can easily convince themselves to believe in something that is objectively false. Heck, one need not even have a mental defect or disorder to do it.

So I have to ask, why do you say that he knows his inauguration crowd was thin? He has even said,” from where I was standing it looked like a million people.” President Trump has an almost super-human ability to believe that he is right and all objective evidence is wrong.

When trying to understand his beliefs and motivations, it is helpful to remember that he is the very opposite of critical thinking, (i.e. evidence is worthless, the loudest person is the most correct, ad homs are required, formal logic has no place in policy decisions, etc.). He has lived his entire life down the rabbit hole. He is in perfectly agreement with L. Carol’s Looking-Glass Queen when she said, “Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.

Clinton was been on a book tour with Chelsea recently and she says what I believe, Trump cannot stand the fact he is an illegitimate POTUS.

Again, I strongly disagree. I assert that he has convinced himself that he ran a perfect campaign and it was his charm, his keen understanding of how to influence people, and his genius-level grasp of national and world affairs that produced his perfect landslide victory. She is right when she concludes that the president cannot stand people saying the victory wasn’t legitimate. But it is not because he knows it wasn’t, but rather because he doesn’t want that rumor to spread. The president believes he is perfect and understands that his life becomes easier if everyone just acknowledge it.
 
Yeah but then you have to ask, what were Barr and Pompeo thinking? Did they think it was just typical Trump and they wouldn't find anything then it would eventually fade away like that inauguration crowd? Makes sense.

Then Trump got caught doing something more blatantly illegal and suddenly everything looked a bit dirtier than it had a couple weeks ago.
I read somewhere the Barr was surprised and angry to find his name had been mentioned in the July 25 conversation. It's not so much that it implicated Barr in a crime - it's that it makes Barr look like a crappy lawyer. Whether he considers himself as the AG or just as another Trump lawyer, he let his client/the U.S. president openly commit what is probably a serious crime on a highly monitored phone line. If he knew about it in advance it looks like he failed to properly counsel his client. If he didn't know about it, he was blindsided by Trump's implication that Barr was a personal fixer, on par with Giuliani.
 
I imagine that you’ve not encountered a lot of people with mental issues.
You might want to take a peek at the "Trump has a dangerous personality disorder" thread. There's a lot of informed speculation about Trump's mental state there. It's a different interpretation, not a lack of experience with mental illness.
 
Trump Tweets

As I learn more and more each day, I am coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP, intended to take away the Power of the....

....People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America!

The Greatest Witch Hunt in the history of our Country!
 
So long as he has the unwavering support of his base, 25%-30% of the electorate, then he's nowhere near to the edge at any time.

His base are 1/2 to 2/3 of the GOP support, they cannot risk losing that support.

The GOP isn't going to lose their support. Where would they go?

Individual Republican pols might continue to fear getting primaried by opponents who keep beating the Trump drum even after he is gone, but that isn't the same thing.

The GOP has been losing support. This is why it lost the House. In more than 3/4s of the races in the nation Republicans did poorer in the last election.And Trump in 20 states that he won in 2016 has seen at least an 8 point drop. The one exception was Florida.


Try responding to what I wrote, not what you wish I had written.

I didn't say the GOP wasn't losing support. I said they weren't going to lose "their" support. The support of Trump's base. Which is eminently obvious from the quote in my post.
 
Some may be moderates who decide to go with the Democrats or some 3rd party.


Some of Trump's unwavering base are moderates?

Really?

Some may continue to support the GOP in spirit, but just aren't motivated enough to actually go to the polls on election day.


That isn't the same as losing their support. In your own words, "may continue to support".
 
The GOP isn't going to lose their support. Where would they go?

A tiny proportion may decide to vote for a Democratic Party candidate though any "moderate" GOP voters (and I'm including GOP voters who choose to identify as independent) have likely already flown the nest.

Most likely support lost by the GOP would simply not turn out to vote (AIUI a significant part of President Trump's base are people aren't regular voters, he has motivated them to turn out and vote) of would vote for a Libertarian or other third party candidate.

Individual Republican pols might continue to fear getting primaried by opponents who keep beating the Trump drum even after he is gone, but that isn't the same thing.

The biggest threat to most GOP incumbents comes from inside their own party. Given that the GOP is now the party of Trump then any sensible incumbent is going to continue to beat the Trump drum.
 
The GOP has been losing support. This is why it lost the House. In more than 3/4s of the races in the nation Republicans did poorer in the last election.And Trump in 20 states that he won in 2016 has seen at least an 8 point drop. The one exception was Florida.

.....and yet the GOP still have a senate majority, most governorships and the majority in most state assemblies (which is why then can continue to push forward their Gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts).

IMO any loss of support is still well within the usual range for a party which is in power and for all the encouraging narrowing of margins in various elections, the Democratic Party hasn't won enough seats to show that there's any kind of blue wave, much less a tsunami.
 
Some of Trump's unwavering base are moderates?

Really?

No, but there may be some comparatively moderate GOP voters who continue to vote Republican despite President Trump, not because of him.

President Trump's base accounts for the majority of GOP support IMO but not all of it by any means.
 
I think the problem with that is that even if those other world leaders have computers, they may not have the same infrastructure. Heck, my girlfriend can't even do video calls with her family because they all have apple phones and she uses Blackberry/Android.

For example, for Trump to teleconference with Putin, they'd probably have to install Astra Linux on whatever computer Trump is using.

A telephone is just sort of a basic 'Everyone will have this' sort of thing.

If its the military, they can enforce some sort of standardization.


Is your girlfriend the head of state of a major country?

Do you really think they wouldn't have the resources to acquire any sort of comm devices they wanted?

We aren't talking esoteric tech here. This is stuff any teenager can buy off-the-shelf.

Even end-to-end encryption is relatively trivial. I could do it. You could do it. If your girlfriend really, really wanted to she could find some high-school kid to help her with the complicated stuff and she could do it.

I'm not sure what Apple/Android has to do with anything. Video calling which is OS independent is common. T-Mobile has it built into their system, and they sell both types of phone. As long as both are using T-Mobile as a carrier then a video call is only one button away.

I suspect she isn't trying too hard. Tell her to have her family download Skype from the Apple Store. It's free.
 
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...-snakes-alligators-trench-nyt-sot-vpx-tsr.cnn

Just when we're all focused on Trump and his supporters being a bunch of traitors, we are reminded that he and they are also a bunch of racists. You can't vote Trump and not be a racist as well as a supporter treason.

Oh I don't know. Some people are just motivated by greed.


If you are supporting Trump you are supporting racism and treason. Whether or not your motive for supporting him is greed is irrelevant. You are still supporting him.
 
When we play the Degrees of Separation Game, it is true that Trump supporters are only one nexus away from Racists - Trump himself.
 
No, but there may be some comparatively moderate GOP voters who continue to vote Republican despite President Trump, not because of him.

President Trump's base accounts for the majority of GOP support IMO but not all of it by any means.


And my post was specifically a response to a post about the 'unwavering support' of Trump's base.

Not "comparatively moderate GOP voters".

Although, at this juncture I find it difficult to evaluate the phrase "comparatively moderate GOP voters"'

Compared to what? Attila the Hun? Pol Pot?

Anyone who is "comparatively moderate" by any rational First World standard is going to find it difficult to align their beliefs with today's GOP. Even Reagan Republicans would be (are being?) ostracized by the party for untenable liberalism.
 
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