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House Impeachment Inquiry

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Belz... said:
Gotta love wordplay. It sure beats making reasoned arguments or admitting to one's errors.
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I've been making reasoned arguments all along. Most significantly, the reasoned argument that preserving one's legacy and future opportunities is properly an aspect of career advancement. Maybe if you stopped looking at it as wordplay, and started looking at it as an attempt to advance an idea, you'd have a better time in this conversation.

Yes, through what you said. See how that works?
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I do. But somehow, even though I've said what I mean, you still seem to think you have to guess at what I mean.
 
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theprestige said:
I've been making reasoned arguments all along. Most significantly, the reasoned argument that preserving one's legacy and future opportunities are properly an aspect of career advancement. Maybe if you stopped looking at it as wordplay, and started looking at it as an attempt to advance an idea, you'd have a better time in this conversation.


I do. But somehow, even though I've said what I mean, you still seem to think you have to guess at what I mean.
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Not on this one Prestige. You made a mistake. One you should have recognized when it was pointed out to. You should have owned up to it and moved on. Instead, you are spinning and rationalizing. Give it up and let it go.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Then please remind me why it's being discussed in the impeachment thread.
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We were opining about Pelosi's motivation and strategy as she leads the impeachment process in the house. Belz... quibbled about me characterizing Pelosi's strategy as consistent with "career advancement", and then apparently decided that this dispute about terminology was a show-stopper to further discussion. Because it really confused him? I dunno. Probably not that important.

Anyway, feel free to move on, if this part of the discussion doesn't interest you. I'm about to do the same myself.
 
theprestige said:
Most significantly, the reasoned argument that preserving one's legacy and future opportunities is properly an aspect of career advancement.
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It's not reasoned. It's wrong on its face. When you advance your career it's to improve your situation or status. Going back to a lower-tier job is not advancing your career.
 
theprestige said:
What was the mistake, in your opinion?
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That Pelosi's motivation was her personal career. As if an almost 80 year old woman who has been Speaker of the House for 3 terms and has agreed to step down from that post is likely to be "career motivated". It's a poor analysis and is beneath what you usually bring to the party.
 
acbytesla said:
That Pelosi's motivation was her personal career. As if an almost 80 year old woman who has been Speaker of the House for 3 terms and has agreed to step down from that post is likely to be "career motivated". It's a poor analysis and is beneath what you usually bring to the party.
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This is a fair point. But to be clear, it's entirely separate from the terminology quibble that Belz... has embarked on. I understand if you want to dispute my characterization of what motivates Pelosi.
 
Pompeo's going to stonewall. This was to be expected.
I suspect you are going to get a lot of leaks from the state department in the near future.
 
theprestige said:
This is a fair point. But to be clear, it's entirely separate from the terminology quibble that Belz... has embarked on. I understand if you want to dispute my characterization of what motivates Pelosi.
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It seems to me you've been arguing around that point and then got lost in the weeds.
 
plague311 said:
How does he suck so much at speaking?
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Not everyone is good at public speaking. It's a skill.


Also having a stupid brain infected with insanity and racked with nutritional deficit while shrinking in old age and increasing senility can't exactly help.
 
plague311 said:
How does he suck so much at speaking?
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Ninja magic.

Also, probably lack of formal training. I'm pretty articulate, but still woefully amateurish. I'd probably benefit a lot from joining toastmasters and putting some real effort into polishing my speech.

I think this is probably something that sets Donald Trump apart from most career politicians. I think that to succeed at the higher levels of a political career, an elected official has to have some talent at public speaking, and has to nurture and grow that talent. Between appealing to voters and appealing to donors, being able to speak well is an important professional skill for most career politicians.

But Trump has advanced along a different path, one that doesn't put such a heavy requirement on good public speaking. He's able to get by on force of personality in more intimate settings, and raw demagogue appeal in larger venues. But actually talking well isn't really his thing.
 
theprestige said:
Depends on the job, and depends on what they're doing with it. I'd say that in Pelosi's case, she's definitely charting a course through the impeachment question that serves her career goals. That safeguards what she's made of her career so far, and protects the potential for future opportunities.
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She is going to be 80 years old in March. I question whether she's looking for future political opportunities.
 
Jungle Jim said:
She is going to be 80 years old in March. I question whether she's looking for future political opportunities.
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Speaking engagements. Book deals.

There's also reputation, legacy, and professional networks to think about, at this stage in her career. All of these interests can and should still be advanced, to whatever degree they are interests for her.
 
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