Massive Wave of Hate Crimes against minorities follows Trump election.

[Ziggurat]

It happened one time, so every similar claim is automatically true even when it's obviously false?

You're making a major mistake here in accepting ponderingturtle's false premise: the claims aren't actually similar at all. They're radically different, and obviously so. One of the key clues in this haircut hoax, the Smollet fraud, and many other fake hate crimes is that the alleged assault doesn't actually inflict physical damage on the victim. That's not the case if you get a coat hanger forcibly inserted in your anus.

 

[theprestige]

You're making a major mistake here in accepting ponderingturtle's false premise: the claims aren't actually similar at all. They're radically different, and obviously so. One of the key clues in this haircut hoax, the Smollet fraud, and many other fake hate crimes is that the alleged assault doesn't actually inflict physical damage on the victim. That's not the case if you get a coat hanger forcibly inserted in your anus.

Good point. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Stout]

Wow, a racist and a sexist and at such a young age too. The cops need to find out what she's been reading and get that crap banned from the internet real quick.

 

[Giz]

Wow, a racist and a sexist and at such a young age too. The cops need to find out what she's been reading and get that crap banned from the internet real quick.

https://democrats.org/

 

[Mumbles]

Hey that is too crazy to have happened therefor it never happened. Those kinds of group attacks on minorities simply do not happen, therefor that attack didn't happen.

I mean a group of white kids kicking a coat hanger up the anus of the one black kid in school, it could never happen in america.

Did they ever charge that guy that made a fake 911 report on John Crawford 3rd - which resulted in Crawford being murdered on sight by the cops, *and* a woman dying of a heart attack in the ensuing panic?

 

[theprestige]

Did they ever charge that guy that made a fake 911 report on John Crawford 3rd - which resulted in Crawford being murdered on sight by the cops, *and* a woman dying of a heart attack in the ensuing panic?

What would you say is more troubling about the latest incident we're discussing in this thread? That someone perpetrated a racist hoax? Or that a lot of people realized almost immediately that it was probably a hoax? Or that the media went ahead and outed the minor child who made the claim?

Did you realize it was probably a hoax right away?

 

[applecorped]

The article definitely presents them like a bunch of fake hate crimes. Mentioning this in case readers get the wrong impression by the word "suspicious" in the article title. Here, suspicious means "did they really happen at all" Thanks, Jussie!

Never heard of one of these:







We, as a nation, voted in a black President for the first time in our history. Seemed like things were looking okay at that time.

But racial relations took a nosedive during the Obama administration because he liked to take sides. The handling of Ferguson comes to mind, sending in Holder and the feds to investigate a man who robbed a store and attacked a cop, and then turning his attention on the police dept. His rhetoric during that as well as "if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon" fanned the flames. "Hey he's on our side!" Black Lives Matter became a thing.

Bill Clinton did more for racial relations than Obama. What did Obama do besides set the stage for a backlash? You can blame Trump, but Trump, if anything was the result of this. He didn't create it.

Ya I'm making a lot of claims here, fun thread.

Trump didn't build that racial road

 

[Puppycow]

I give the girl more credit than Jussie, who still refuses to admit the truth.

As to other cases, I never claimed that hate crimes don't happen. My skepticism was only about this one particular case.

 

[alfaniner]

What would you say is more troubling about the latest incident we're discussing in this thread? That someone perpetrated a racist hoax? Or that a lot of people realized almost immediately that it was probably a hoax? Or that the media went ahead and outed the minor child who made the claim?

Did you realize it was probably a hoax right away?

I considered it had a high probability. My question now is now that it's been admitted, what happens to the girl? I think expulsion is reasonable.

 

[theprestige]

I considered it had a high probability. My question now is now that it's been admitted, what happens to the girl? I think expulsion is reasonable.

Seriously?

 

[Puppycow]

And I will now see how it is good that there was no serious legal punishment for raping a classmate with a coathager because the tard made it all up anyway and who would believe a black? Racial attacks like that don't happen so it didn't happen and the judge was right to not punish them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/27/517510627/no-jail-time-for-19-year-old-in-idaho-coat-hanger-assault-case

Your go-to argument is a sarcastic straw man. Make up a completely ridiculous position such as "racial attacks like that never happen" and attack that straw man. I never suggested that the Idaho case was a hoax. My skepticism was only about this particular incident and I read the whole article and also watched an interview with the girl before going out on a limb and making that prediction. It was all based on particular details of the reports and not the fact that the alleged victim was black. And guess what? My intuition turned out to be spot on.

There have been hoaxes like this by the way made up by white people too.
Back in 2008 there was a McCain campaign volunteer (young white woman) who claimed that black Obama supporters mugged her and held her down and carved the letters "BO" in her face. Curiously, the letters were backwards. There's still an old thread about that here and I was one of the people expressing skepticism about that one too before she admitted that she had made it up.

 

[Puppycow]

I considered it had a high probability. My question now is now that it's been admitted, what happens to the girl? I think expulsion is reasonable.

Ambiguous. A "high probability" of what? Being true or being a hoax?

Well it's a private school so I suppose that if they want to expell her they would be within their rights, but it's also a Christian school so I think that they would probably be inclined to forgive her given that she has confessed. She may decide to leave anyway though from embarrassment even if she isn't expelled.

 

[Mumbles]

Your go-to argument is a sarcastic straw man. Make up a completely ridiculous position such as "racial attacks like that never happen" and attack that straw man. I never suggested that the Idaho case was a hoax. My skepticism was only about this particular incident and I read the whole article and also watched an interview with the girl before going out on a limb and making that prediction. It was all based on particular details of the reports and not the fact that the alleged victim was black. And guess what? My intuition turned out to be spot on.

There have been hoaxes like this by the way made up by white people too.
Back in 2008 there was a McCain campaign volunteer (young white woman) who claimed that black Obama supporters mugged her and held her down and carved the letters "BO" in her face. Curiously, the letters were backwards. There's still an old thread about that here and I was one of the people expressing skepticism about that one too before she admitted that she had made it up.

And in the case of the woman with a backwards "B" lightly scratched into her cheek, it's fair to say "Yeah, she likely did that in a mirror", as that's the most reasonable explanation. In the case of bullies cutting hair and stealing from a victim, that happens all the time, regardless of race. And the only reason it's in national news is:

1) The president is a white supremacist;
2)The president's VP's wife works at the same school;
3)people in the US (and this is people of *all* races) often freak out when it comes to black people's hair.

 

[Ziggurat]

Did they ever charge that guy that made a fake 911 report on John Crawford 3rd - which resulted in Crawford being murdered on sight by the cops, *and* a woman dying of a heart attack in the ensuing panic?

That shooting happened in 2014, when Obama was president. Why is it relevant to the alleged Trump-inspired hate crime wave? Or do you just want a distraction from the latest hoax?

 

[theprestige]

And in the case of the woman with a backwards "B" lightly scratched into her cheek, it's fair to say "Yeah, she likely did that in a mirror", as that's the most reasonable explanation. In the case of bullies cutting hair and stealing from a victim, that happens all the time, regardless of race. And the only reason it's in national news is:

The only reason the little girl's self-serving racist lie is national news is because the media is not your friend, and not her friend.

1) The president is a white supremacist;

And the thing didn't happen.

2)The president's VP's wife works at the same school;

Where this incident didn't happen.

3)people in the US (and this is people of *all* races) often freak out when it comes to black people's hair.

Except at this school, where this didn't happen.

This is national news because there's a market for stories like this. There's people who want to believe that Mike Pence's wife's part time job is a place where this kind of thing happens - even when it isn't true.

And look here: I bet even after finding out it was a lie, you still believe it's the kind of place where that happens. And you still don't believe that the "national news" is the kind of place that feeds you lies.

 

[Puppycow]

The only reason the little girl's self-serving racist lie is national news is because the media is not your friend, and not her friend.
. . .

This is national news because there's a market for stories like this. There's people who want to believe that Mike Pence's wife's part time job is a place where this kind of thing happens - even when it isn't true.

And look here: I bet even after finding out it was a lie, you still believe it's the kind of place where that happens. And you still don't believe that the "national news" is the kind of place that feeds you lies.

I think either the girl or her family, or both together made a choice to take this to the media. They didn't have to invite a reporter into their home and give an on-camera interview, but they did. Since she was a minor, I don't think the media would have published her name without her permission. She chose to go public with the accusations, although she could have remained anonymous.

Maybe the reporter(s) should have figured out what I was able to figure out based on their reports, but . . . they didn't really have proof that she was lying, and not reporting it straight up could have exposed them to another kind of criticism. So you report it using words like "alleged" and "girl claims that", which means they're just reporting the claim in a neutral way without either endorsing it or casting it in a skeptical light (which would get them accused of the things that I have been accused of here by ponderingturtle and others). Either way though, whether it turns out to be true or a hoax, it will be something that people are interested in. So they're going to report it.

 

[Foolmewunz]

So another in the hoax category. The apologists are wetting themselves. These scammers are performing a huge disservice to the cause they think they're aiding.

At the same time this broke and got all the attention, the incident I linked to up-thread happened. And that's on video and has actual perps and an adult supervisor from the bus company who is likely fired by now. And it gets no attention because the falsehoods are more important, particularly to adherents to the policies of the Great Right Wing Noise Machine.

Every lying attention-seeker gives a pass to the next shoot-up-a-crowd guy who is actually inspired by or egged-on by Trump-Miller.

 

[Ziggurat]

So another in the hoax category. The apologists are wetting themselves. These scammers are performing a huge disservice to the cause they think they're aiding.

What cause is that? Fighting racism? Or getting attention and sympathy? Because if it’s the latter, collateral harm is probably not going to dissuade them.

At the same time this broke and got all the attention, the incident I linked to up-thread happened. And that's on video and has actual perps and an adult supervisor from the bus company who is likely fired by now. And it gets no attention because the falsehoods are more important, particularly to adherents to the policies of the Great Right Wing Noise Machine.

The Great Right Wing Noise Machine didn’t make the haircut story a national one. Same with Smollett. The left wing noise machine did. Why? Why did the left wing make a hoax a national story, but ignore a real one?

And perhaps it’s better for these things to not become national news, any of them. Not the hoaxes, not the real ones. Handle it locally. Don’t give perpetrators attention. Deprive haters of role models for their hate. Stop breeding imitations. We should have done that with school shootings decades ago, because there’s a social contagion aspect to a lot of this stuff.

 

[Foolmewunz]

What cause is that? Fighting racism? Or getting attention and sympathy? Because if it’s the latter, collateral harm is probably not going to dissuade them.

The cause is the driving of the racists and bigots back under their rocks and out of the guise of "respectability" that the current regime has given them.

The Great Right Wing Noise Machine didn’t make the haircut story a national one. Same with Smollett. The left wing noise machine did. Why? Why did the left wing make a hoax a national story, but ignore a real one?

Both stories were reported. The one in Gouverneur(sic) actually had more msm coverage initially. It was reported as news. No denialism and obfuscation available. There may have been some local yahoos making excuses, but they didn't go national. There was no there, there for the denialists. "Oops, well yeah this happened!" isn't going to fit the bill.

Oh, and I note that you make the same dumb mistake as another noted "conservative" poster. CNN and NBC and ABC(etc...) a.k.a. MSM are NOT left wing media.

And perhaps it’s better for these things to not become national news, any of them. Not the hoaxes, not the real ones. Handle it locally. Don’t give perpetrators attention. Deprive haters of role models for their hate. Stop breeding imitations. We should have done that with school shootings decades ago, because there’s a social contagion aspect to a lot of this stuff.

Well, that would certainly be handy. I go the opposite way. Report the hoaxes and the actual cases. Out the hoaxers, out the racists. Maybe they'll both be cured of their abject misanthropy.

 

[Mumbles]

So another in the hoax category. The apologists are wetting themselves. These scammers are performing a huge disservice to the cause they think they're aiding.

Eh, it's a 12 year old kid with a story about being bullied. Important locally to the school, but not worth much outside of that. As I said waaay back, you'll never prove or disprove any "massive wave" of hate crimes via anecdote. As I recall, the stats show that hate crimes increased throughout Obama's presidency, rose somewhat faster during Dolt 45's presidency, and spike when and where he has one of his hate rallies.

And again, Dolt 45 is not a cause so much as he is a symptom. In truth, anti-black racists in the US worked themselves into a rage because a black person was elected President. They first joined the Tea Party, and then fell in line behind the current white supremacist president, which they then took as good reason to act out further. And again as I said way back, this was predictable. Thus we get the drunken idiot earlier shouting about the president and beating his chest like a gorilla, or the El Paso shooter paraphrasing white supremacists like Dolt 45 and Tucker Carlson.

At the same time this broke and got all the attention, the incident I linked to up-thread happened. And that's on video and has actual perps and an adult supervisor from the bus company who is likely fired by now. And it gets no attention because the falsehoods are more important, particularly to adherents to the policies of the Great Right Wing Noise Machine.

Every lying attention-seeker gives a pass to the next shoot-up-a-crowd guy who is actually inspired by or egged-on by Trump-Miller.

It's not worth discussing matters with them, except to point out their poor reasoning to others - they're motivated by nothing more than hatred of black people, if it weren't one thing, it'd be something else, even if they had to ignore all evidence. It's likely worthwhile for *someone* to confront them, but in truth, white supremacism is an issue for white people to solve. Count me out in general.