Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[uke2se]

You must be thinking about somewhere else where people are arguing against those things..

No, they are arguing against those things here.

I don't think you're stupid enough to not have a coherent answer for that question..

Apparently I was wrong.

Criticism isn't the same thing as an attack. Saying that someone is mentally disabled in order to minimize them isn't criticism, but an attack. Saying that someone shouldn't be hear because they are too young isn't criticism, but an attack.

Do you get it yet?

 

[cullennz]

No, they are arguing against those things here.




Apparently I was wrong.

Criticism isn't the same thing as an attack. Saying that someone is mentally disabled in order to minimize them isn't criticism, but an attack. Saying that someone shouldn't be hear because they are too young isn't criticism, but an attack.

Do you get it yet?

Indeed

Attacks are like this

“You have stolen my dreams, my childhood, with your empty words,” Thunberg, the 16-year-old powerhouse activist from Sweden, said. “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about are your fairy tales of money and eternal economic growth.”

 

[lionking]

Indeed

Attacks are like this

“You have stolen my dreams, my childhood, with your empty words,” Thunberg, the 16-year-old powerhouse activist from Sweden, said. “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about are your fairy tales of money and eternal economic growth.”

The truth must hurt you.

 

[cullennz]

The truth must hurt you.

May well be the truth.

I was just pointing out it was an attack and not criticism, to add to uke2se's examples.

And her attack doesn't hurt me at all.

It wasn't aimed at me.

 

[uke2se]

The truth must hurt you.

Please ignore the trolling.

 

[a_unique_person]

Personally don't have any apart from the preaching catastrophe to kids.



That and I just personally find the way she comes across as irritating.



I think your major problem with school kids thing is they can't vote and by the time they can make any viable changes, most of them will not be as into it any more.



Working etc



Like every other generation.



Especially in 11 years when they find out that 11 years wasn't the cutting point to us not stopping catastrophe

She's a kid and she has a right to know what is being done to the world she lives in and speak or about it. But you do accept she is doing the same thing as Attenborough.

David Attenborough agrees there is one decade to act decisively. If you want to ask more about this go to the final warming thread. You don't seem to get it.

 

[cullennz]

She's a kid and she has a right to know what is being done to the world she lives in and speak or about it. But you do accept she is doing the same thing as Attenborough.

No I don't

She maybe saying similar things, but Attenborough has a huge a amount of life and career in the field experience, while it appears to me anyway that she is being manipulated.

Kind of the perfect tool.

The kid who on the one hand is apparently stoic and strong enough to come up with this herself, while in the next can never be criticised for her words as it is automatically accusations of bullying the child.

It seems a bit too win win

 

[cullennz]

Oh and apparently misogyny now

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Ask the Koch brothers, the fossil fuel industry, the car industry.




Generations don't get anybody into any mess. Generations don't decide anything. Capitalism does, as long as we let it. The generation of the Koch brothers doesn't influence the decisions they make. Their investments (i.e. capital) do.

Surely it's economic development that has caused this mess? The communist/socialist nations of the world are just as guilty of environmental damage as the capitalist ones. In fact, pollution and emissions are far worse in China than in the EU, for example. The USSR was also a prime example of a desire to put 'progress' above environmental concerns.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...970-2017_six_countries_and_confederations.png

 

[The Great Zaganza]

cullennz, so far I have heard little from you that didn't sound like "shooting the messenger".

What does it matter that Greta is the messenger if you agree with the message?
What does it matter if you don't?

The effort you have put in into considering reasons to discount her don't seem to be in relation to the relevance she, personally, has compared to the underlying issue.

 

[cullennz]

cullennz, so far I have heard little from you that didn't sound like "shooting the messenger".

What does it matter that Greta is the messenger if you agree with the message?
What does it matter if you don't?

The effort you have put in into considering reasons to discount her don't seem to be in relation to the relevance she, personally, has compared to the underlying issue.

It doesn't particularly matter to me whether she does what she does, except for her scaring kids.

I just find the whole any criticism of it being automatically being bullying interesting. And from a personal point of view can't see why loads of people who aren't school kids, don't see how convenient she is.

 

[uke2se]

Surely it's economic development that has caused this mess? The communist/socialist nations of the world are just as guilty of environmental damage as the capitalist ones. In fact, pollution and emissions are far worse in China than in the EU, for example. The USSR was also a prime example of a desire to put 'progress' above environmental concerns.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...970-2017_six_countries_and_confederations.png

China's economic system is pretty capitalist. Sure, it's a demented and twisted form of capitalism, but then again, what form of capitalism isn't at least a little demented and twisted?

I would say that capitalism is a major factor in why we are were we are, good and bad. When it comes to the climate, allowing capitalism to guide our actions has led to a crisis, and unguided, capitalism can't get us out of it.

 

[cullennz]

China's economic system is pretty capitalist. Sure, it's a demented and twisted form of capitalism, but then again, what form of capitalism isn't at least a little demented and twisted?

China were pumping out a huge amount of emissions a long time before they did the back hand capitalism switcharoo

 

[Samson]

Little Greta is a shoo-in for Nobel peace prize with Jacinda Ardern a suggested place getter for supporting those who do what all do, preach falsehoods to little people.
Greta is championing the notion that war over resources is averted when the resources are not threatened. She is a 16 year old geopolitical genius.
She understands how peace is the end game, so must be awarded and remembered in perpetuity.
Thank you Greta.

 

[Samson]

The world is now jammed with vile deniers like carbon vomiting Jeremy Clarkson.
Does he not have great grand children watching the glaciers drive their issue up the Thames?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12272209

 

[cullennz]

Little Greta is a shoo-in for Nobel peace prize with Jacinda Ardern a suggested place getter for supporting those who do what all do, preach falsehoods to little people.
Greta is championing the notion that war over resources is averted when the resources are not threatened. She is a 16 year old geopolitical genius.
She understands how peace is the end game, so must be awarded and remembered in perpetuity.
Thank you Greta.

On that

(And this is off topic sorry mods)

I am surprised Ardern's people didn't wrangle a selfie of Ardern and Greta with Greta's people at the UN.

Ardern must have been ropable

 

[Tolls]

"scaring children"?

That's pretty feeble.

They're no more scared than we were back in the day.
And it's not as if she's the only source of GW information being consumed by kids.

 

[Matthew Best]

The world is now jammed with vile deniers like carbon vomiting Jeremy Clarkson.
Does he not have great grand children watching the glaciers drive their issue up the Thames?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12272209

That's fantastic. Clarkson accusing someone of being a "spoilt brat" and needing some "manners".

This is the same Clarkson who punched someone in the face because his food order wasn't correct, am I right?

 

[cullennz]

"scaring children"?

That's pretty feeble.

They're no more scared than we were back in the day.
And it's not as if she's the only source of GW information being consumed by kids.

Which would cancel out Lionking's "her movement"

And it isn't feeble at all

"But some of the kids who went on strike today are really scared.

I heard a young person on the radio this morning saying billions of people are going to die by 2050

That’s ridiculous. Do we actually believe billions of people are going to die because of climate change in 31 years because of climate change"

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air...climate-change-frenzy-is-terrifying-children/

 

[Darat]

"scaring children"?

That's pretty feeble.

They're no more scared than we were back in the day.
And it's not as if she's the only source of GW information being consumed by kids.

Yeah you got the likes of David Attenborough saying the same thing. He was even given millions of pounds to make TV shows in which he told people about how little time we have to alleviate the worse predictions.