The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Aridas said:
Sorta? As was pointed made clear after the examination of Hillary's e-mails, information can certainly be classified after there was time to discuss it. There's excellent reason to think that the Trump Administration is up to no good, because, well, it's horrendously corrupt, inept, ignores the law all the time, and constantly makes brazenly evil decisions, but that doesn't mean that classifying things that happened in a previous administration is necessarily illegal or out of bounds, though the timing certainly makes it distinctly suspicious.
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It depends on how they use it.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I think Giuliani managed to control the narrative, and make the whole fiasco about Joe and Hunter Biden and confusion about Ukrainian oligarchs and prosecutors.

One thing that came out was that he says Pompeo was aware of his actions.
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A number of people tried to throw Giuliani under the bus until Trump pulled him onboard in the call transcript.
 
Darat said:
All his thoughts are on "winning" the next election, he can't seem to think about anything else.
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Minor correction, although I'd accept "thoughts" in scare quotes
 
The worst part of Trump's campaign to discredit Joe Biden (Biden calls it a "smear") is that it is based on a transparent lie. Biden didn't try and get the Ukraine prosecutor fired to save his (Biden's) son, he was delivering a message from the U.S. Government, our allies and even pro-democracy activists in Ukraine.
Biden was not simply relaying the message pushed by the Obama administration, but that his position was supported by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists, European allies, and even groups like the International Monetary Foundation (IMF). As Tom Malinowski, former assistant secretary of state under Obama, recalled this week, “All of us working on Ukraine wanted this prosecutor gone, because he was NOT prosecuting corruption. So did the Europeans. So did the IMF. This didn't come from Joe Biden—he just delivered our message.” Link
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In the phone call to the Ukrainian president, Trump said "A lot of people are talking about...the way they shut your very good prosecutor down...I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor." But he wasn't a good nor very fair prosecutor. He was corrupt.

To turn all of the facts on their head in order to discredit Biden (who leads Trump in 2020 polling) is not only itself corrupt, but dangerous in that other nations and the IMF were involved in the effort to get the prosecutor removed. What do they think when they read Trump's garbage?
 
He's just retweeting any random person that is watching Fox & Friends, dozens of them!
 
newyorkguy said:
In the phone call to the Ukrainian president, Trump said "A lot of people are talking about...the way they shut your very good prosecutor down...I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor." But he wasn't a good nor very fair prosecutor. He was corrupt.

To turn all of the facts on their head in order to discredit Biden (who leads Trump in 2020 polling) is not only itself corrupt, but dangerous in that other nations and the IMF were involved in the effort to get the prosecutor removed. What do they think when they read Trump's garbage?
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You have to remember that Trump is an honest-to-god, dyed-in-the-wool conspiracy theorist, and so, like all the other CTs out there, when he posts obvious lies in support of his BS, you need to remember: he's not lying to us, he's lying to the people who will support his BS. If you can see the obvious BS for what it is, you're not the intended audience for his lies.

The scary part is that there are enough people out there who are his intended audience to allow him to be elected in the first place, and to make him a credible threat for re-election.
 
Hugh Hewitt, one of Trump's big time jounalistic defenders, publiched a Op ed piece in the WAPO about how the Demovraticds are endangering America by distracting attention from the real menace:Iran.
Aside from my "did not learn anything from Iraq, did he?' I am beginning to worry that Trump might use the ultimate distraction from the Impeahcment crisis:War.
yes, I am fully convinced Trump is capable of starting a war if he thnks it would save his presidency.
 
newyorkguy said:
The worst part of Trump's campaign to discredit Joe Biden (Biden calls it a "smear") is that it is based on a transparent lie. Biden didn't try and get the Ukraine prosecutor fired to save his (Biden's) son, he was delivering a message from the U.S. Government, our allies and even pro-democracy activists in Ukraine.



In the phone call to the Ukrainian president, Trump said "A lot of people are talking about...the way they shut your very good prosecutor down...I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor." But he wasn't a good nor very fair prosecutor. He was corrupt.

To turn all of the facts on their head in order to discredit Biden (who leads Trump in 2020 polling) is not only itself corrupt, but dangerous in that other nations and the IMF were involved in the effort to get the prosecutor removed. What do they think when they read Trump's garbage?
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Not only that but guess what blatant fact the news media hasn't quite registered?

The corrupt prosecutor in question was not going after the company Hunter worked, he was protecting the associated Oligarch from UK sanctions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/...-ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-biden-ties.html

Ding ding ding...
 
newyorkguy said:
The worst part of Trump's campaign to discredit Joe Biden (Biden calls it a "smear") is that it is based on a transparent lie. Biden didn't try and get the Ukraine prosecutor fired to save his (Biden's) son, he was delivering a message from the U.S. Government, our allies and even pro-democracy activists in Ukraine.



In the phone call to the Ukrainian president, Trump said "A lot of people are talking about...the way they shut your very good prosecutor down...I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor." But he wasn't a good nor very fair prosecutor. He was corrupt.

To turn all of the facts on their head in order to discredit Biden (who leads Trump in 2020 polling) is not only itself corrupt, but dangerous in that other nations and the IMF were involved in the effort to get the prosecutor removed. What do they think when they read Trump's garbage?
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They think that the U.S. is run by a gang of lying ******** who will do absolutely anything to win and who have no shame or morality whatsoever, and that nearly half of all Americans are themselves worthless scum who are just fine with it. And they're right.
 
Food for thought:

Children in cages: not a good enough reason.

Working with hostile powers to subvert an election: not a good enough reason.

Self-enrichment and inside dealing: not a good enough reason.

Attacking Joe Biden: IMPEACH HIM NAO!

Democrats are a funny lot.
 
Trump Tweets

Like every American, I deserve to meet my accuser, especially when this accuser, the so-called “Whistleblower,” represented a perfect conversation with a foreign leader in a totally inaccurate and fraudulent way. Then Schiff made up what I actually said by lying to Congress......

His lies were made in perhaps the most blatant and sinister manner ever seen in the great Chamber. He wrote down and read terrible things, then said it was from the mouth of the President of the United States. I want Schiff questioned at the highest level for Fraud & Treason.....

....In addition, I want to meet not only my accuser, who presented SECOND & THIRD HAND INFORMATION, but also the person who illegally gave this information, which was largely incorrect, to the “Whistleblower.” Was this person SPYING on the U.S. President? Big Consequences!
 
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