The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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The Great Zaganza said:
18 months ago, they sent a message around saying they wanted to do this - and then didn't, because clearly it isn't feasible.
It is hard to see this as anything but an effort to please Trump and influence 2020 voters.
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Isn't this the same thing that's happening with Biden? Abusing an office to get revenge against a political opponent?

More fuel for the impeachment proceedings, perhaps.
 
carlosy said:
Out of curiosity, what would be the right and legal way in the following situation:

Any US president suspects one of the presidential candidates to be involved in something illegal (maybe now or in the past) and goverments of another country might have serious information on this matter and could help.

What are the correct options?

a) Do nothing and wait until after the election so that the US citizen is not a presidential candidate anymore (risking that this person could then be actually the new president)?

b) Report/inform authorities: Which ones? FBI, CIA? Risking that someone in there then suspects the president/government to seek help from another country against a presidential candidate or trying to smear his campaign?

c) Possible illegal activities of US-citizens, especially presidential candidates, are not the presidents concern.

:confused:
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carlosy said:
And what would be the proper method to collect information from a different government? Or is this never an option?

I am not a US citizen, so just asking out of curiousity.
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tyr_13 said:
It would depend on the country involved.

We have agreements and a system with Ukraine (whose acronym slips my mind an the moment) where the State Department submits a request on behave of whatever law enforcement agency believes there is information in the other country. Ukraine reviews the request and returns what information they have, what other cooperation might be acceptable, and decides if they want to commit investigative resources to this.

At no point, besides perhaps submitting initial evidence to whatever US law enforcement agency would be appropriate for the suspected wrongdoing, is the President's personal lawyer involved. The AG isn't even supposed to be directly involved. It is standardized and bureaucratic specifically to avoid political interference because such a thing would be wrong, illegal, and damage future international relationships as well as internal trust in the legal system.

What Trump et al have done is clearly corrupt and illegal. Anyone pretending it isn't simply isn't being reasonable.
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MLAT
 
Trump Tweets

Will happen to all of those seeking unlawful impeachment in 50 Trump type Districts. We will win big!


Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
This is just the beginning of an all-out fight to defend our democracy & our president.
Dozens of House Dems campaigned on working with @realDonaldTrump, yet fell in line with Pelosi & the Squad.
Voters don't support this impeachment charade & it’s going to backfire come 2020!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets
Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
This is just the beginning of an all-out fight to defend our democracy & our president.
Dozens of House Dems campaigned on working with @realDonaldTrump, yet fell in line with Pelosi & the Squad.
Voters don't support this impeachment charade & it’s going to backfire come 2020!
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Yep, all those millions of Ken Bones out there who don't know anything about Mr. Trump will have one thing to influence their decision to vote or not in 2020: the Democrats are mean to that nice man with the pretty daughter.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Will happen to all of those seeking unlawful impeachment in 50 Trump type Districts. We will win big!


Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
This is just the beginning of an all-out fight to defend our democracy & our president.
Dozens of House Dems campaigned on working with @realDonaldTrump, yet fell in line with Pelosi & the Squad.
Voters don't support this impeachment charade & it’s going to backfire come 2020!
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All his thoughts are on "winning" the next election, he can't seem to think about anything else.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Will happen to all of those seeking unlawful impeachment in 50 Trump type Districts. We will win big!


Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
This is just the beginning of an all-out fight to defend our democracy & our president.
Dozens of House Dems campaigned on working with @realDonaldTrump, yet fell in line with Pelosi & the Squad.
Voters don't support this impeachment charade & it’s going to backfire come 2020!
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Cults are typically less forgiving of apostates than they are of non-believers.
 
Graham: hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay...
 
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shemp said:
Graham: hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay...
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As pointed out on Opening Arguments and elsewhere, the hearsay rule exists because more reliable testimony, in general, should come from the person “heard”, rather than the person who heard it.

So Graham, Scalise et al should be careful what they wish for.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I am amazed at how eerily Trump is able to identify all the problems his narrative has, and attribute it to his opponents as a preemptive "no you are".
In a weird way, this requires a lot of introspection.
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Naw, just an "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces of me and sticks to you" mentality.
 
I think Giuliani managed to control the narrative, and make the whole fiasco about Joe and Hunter Biden and confusion about Ukrainian oligarchs and prosecutors.

One thing that came out was that he says Pompeo was aware of his actions.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
As pointed out on Opening Arguments and elsewhere, the hearsay rule exists because more reliable testimony, in general, should come from the person “heard”, rather than the person who heard it.

So Graham, Scalise et al should be careful what they wish for.
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Exactly. The only logical inference from that argument is that we must now hear from direct sources, and the only way that will happen is with an inquiry. Republicans are playing the same game as they did with the Mueller investigation: you're not allowed to start an investigation unless you already have proof.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Slow down.

The line reads: "now constitute potential security violations"

It does not say: "now constitute violations of federal statutes"
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They also can't use it to say threaten their jobs. Whicj is the only reason i can see them doing this.
 
a_unique_person said:
They haven't made a new law. They have applied a security classification.

I presume that means they are targetting the people who sent emails to or received them from Hillary. They will go to all these people and search all their computers and try to come up with a crime.
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They are in fact making new law if they are using it in the way you are speculating.
 
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