The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[Bill Williams]

Vixen also thinks it's logical that Amanda would go to buy bleach at a store just a few doors down from Raff's where there was a bottle and a half of bleach in the bathroom.

Man, that is some logical reasoning!

Vixen thinks it's reasonable that there would be DNA contamination on a bra from those who had made it back in the factory. (And then claim there'd been no contamination on any of the evidence, but I digress.)

That's only slightly more insane than an appeal's court judge who thinks that trace male-DNA found on a bra-clasp - and found no where else on the bra - could have been deposited by the victim's girlfriends.

Vixen and convicting judges just make up stuff.

 

[bagels]

Every Vixen post should end with "And that's why I think the mafia rigged the national court to get her acquitted."

It would just put things into proper context.

 

[Vixen]

So what you're saying is Meredith was a pig who never washed her bra? ...is that what you're saying?

Stop it, my ribs are hurting.

 

[Vixen]

Both Amanda and Raffaele, after having seen the evidence, were quite clear in their belief that Guede was the one and only killer of Amanda.

You have proof of an effort to bribe anyone? Yeah, didn't think so. Must be in there with your evidence of the $2m PR campaign.

Aviello used it in his defence when he was cleared of lying in court. In effect, the court accepted his claim Bongiorno - Raff's counsel - bribed him to pervert justice.

Luciano Aviello, a key defence witness for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito during their trial for aggravated murder, has been cleared last week by an Italian court of the Italian equivalent of ‘Obstruction of Justice’ for allegedly giving the courts false information in order to deliberately sabotage the trial of Knox and Sollecito. In his defence, the transgender 49-year-old claimed he had been bribed to throw the case into chaos by Sollecito’s attorney, Giulia Bongiorno.

<snip>

Aviello claimed that Sollecito allegedly confessed that Amanda had killed Meredith in an adult game. Sollecito claims in his book that when he realised what Aviello had been saying about him, he cut him off as a friend and Aviello was moved away from Terni prison, shortly after.

<snip>

The Appeal Court judge, Pratillo Hellmann, refused to allow Aviello the stand to claim he had only made his unfounded allegations because of a bribe by Sollecito’s defence.

In the next stage of the automatic appeal process to the Supreme Court, Judge Severo Chieffi ruled Hellmann had erred in not allowing Aviello’s testimony, namely, he was now claiming he had been bribed by Bongiorno to make the false claims in order to bring chaos and confusion to the case.

One of the edicts of the Cheiffi Supreme Court was that Aviello must be heard for his bribery claims. The date for Aviello’s testimony was set for Day 2 of the Appeal, 4th Oct 2013. This time, Aviello appeared in female clothing and was undergoing gender reassignment surgery, asking to be called ‘Lucy’.

Aviello reverts to his original claims at the new Appeal Court

Once again, Aviello changed his story and was back again claiming that his brother and an Albanian were responsible for the savage murder of the young student.

Judge Nencini was dismissive of Aviello’s testimony, remarking on Aviello’s “three versions” of his story. Knox’s lawyer, Dalla Vedova, objected to this comment, on the grounds that there had only been two versions. Nencini smiled and said: “Don’t forget the next!”

To complete the farce, two of Aviello’s fellow inmates at Terni came forward to inform investigators that whilst in prison with Sollecito, Aviello had supposedly bragged that Solllecito said his father Fransesco would give him €70,000 to disrupt the trial.

The upshot of all of this nonsense is that Aviello stood trial recently on the charges of obstruction and slander, related to the above shenanigans, and CLEARED of wrongdoing, by fact that ‘the act does not exist’.

<snip>

The defence were happy to have a compulsive liar and criminal with eight convictions for slander and others for Mafia activity appear as the star witness for their clients.

In his book, co-written with Andrew Gumbel, 2012, Sollecito claims Aviello was transferred away from the same prison as his because, “I can only assume this was because his presence there no longer served any useful purpose to the authorities.’

He adds, ‘Much later, I sent him a present, an embroided handkerchief, to express my gratitude.’

https://uk.blastingnews.com/world/2...and-raffaele-sollecito-cleared-002325513.html

Q.E.D ::

 

[Vixen]

Vixen also thinks it's logical that Amanda would go to buy bleach at a store just a few doors down from Raff's where there was a bottle and a half of bleach in the bathroom.

Man, that is some logical reasoning!

It's ridiculous to think Hitler was a mass murderer when he was a tee-totaller and loved his dog.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Every Vixen post should end with "And that's why I think the mafia rigged the national court to get her acquitted."

It would just put things into proper context.

Wait a minute.......

Vixen, is what bagels says true? Do you believe the mafia rigged the Italian national courts to get a random girl from Seattle acquitted?

Haven't you accused others of being conspiracy theorists?

Can you please elaborate?

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Yes, Amanda Knox is one such person. She knows she's lying but sees nothing immoral in it.

What is she lying about? The air fares from the U.S. to Europe? (or is that someone else who is lying about that but won't admit it, because they see nothing immoral in lying when trying to "win" an unwinnable argument?)

Related question -- what do you think about the Italian Supreme Court acquitting Amanda Knox and the European Court of Human Rights finding in her favor? Do you have any visceral, emotional reactions to this? You were probably tied to the outcome, calling Amanda a slut on the internet for 12 years and all. Just wondering if you are upset over it?

 

[TruthCalls]

Stop it, my ribs are hurting.

Sorry about your ribs, but could you please explain to me how Meredith's bra could have DNA from a worker at the factory that made it if she had washed it a time or two??? You made the claim, not me. Now explain yourself.

 

[Vixen]

What is she lying about? The air fares from the U.S. to Europe? (or is that someone else who is lying about that but won't admit it, because they see nothing immoral in lying when trying to "win" an unwinnable argument?)

Related question -- what do you think about the Italian Supreme Court acquitting Amanda Knox and the European Court of Human Rights finding in her favor? Do you have any visceral, emotional reactions to this? You were probably tied to the outcome, calling Amanda a slut on the internet for 12 years and all. Just wondering if you are upset over it?

It was a pyyrhic victory as it struck out all the guff about Article 3 and the HIV hoax. She was awarded the princely sum of about €18K (iirc) out of the €2m she was scamming claiming for.

It's equivalent to a judge awarding a bounder £1 after winning a libel case. Technically, he was libelled but was of such low character the courts made their point in their award.

 

[Vixen]

Sorry about your ribs, but could you please explain to me how Meredith's bra could have DNA from a worker at the factory that made it if she had washed it a time or two??? You made the claim, not me. Now explain yourself.

How do you know it wasn't new?

 

[Bill Williams]

It was a pyyrhic victory as it struck out all the guff about Article 3 and the HIV hoax. She was awarded the princely sum of about €18K (iirc) out of the €2m she was scamming claiming for.

It's equivalent to a judge awarding a bounder £1 after winning a libel case. Technically, he was libelled but was of such low character the courts made their point in their award.

Ah, er, no. The ECHR finding requires, by treaty, that Italy remedy the fraudulent calunnia conviction. Your word salad above bears no relation to what actually happened earlier this year.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Ah, er, no. The ECHR finding requires, by treaty, that Italy remedy the fraudulent calunnia conviction. Your word salad above bears no relation to what actually happened earlier this year.

Vixen, is this true?

Why would you lie about this? Are you sure that, when you call Amanda Knox a pathological liar, you aren't projecting?

I once worked with someone who was a pathological liar, and a diagnosed narcissist and sociopath. He would always accuse others of being pathological liars, literally immediately after obviously lying about something. It was kind of scary, to be honest.

What do you think of Amanda Knox being acquitting by the Italian Supreme Court and the European Court of Human rights finding in her favor (and, it seems, forcing them to remedy the fraudulent calunnia conviction)? Does this upset you? You've spent about 12 years calling Amanda Knox a slut and pathological liar, yet now all of those in authority have unequivocally concluded she is innocent, according to all facts and empirical evidence. What has been your emotional reaction to this? Do you think you may eventually find someone else to target and call a slut and pathological liar, or is this going to be a lifelong thing with you?

 

[Bill Williams]

Vixen, is this true?

Why would you lie about this? Are you sure that, when you call Amanda Knox a pathological liar, you aren't projecting?

There have been two reactions to the combined 2015 acquittals for murder, and the 2019 ECHR ruling that Italy is now required to remedy the fraudulent conviction for calunnia.

1. The vast vast vast majority. "Oh, I guess the innocentisi were right all along."

2. A small group of nutters in the farthest reaches of the internet, "The Mafia, Masons, and powerful US media interests managed to corrupt the Italian judiciary for some anonymous, quirky Seattleite hippy chick. Raffaele who? Rudy who?"

 

[Welshman]

Yes, Amanda Knox is one such person. She knows she's lying but sees nothing immoral in it.

Vixen lies on an industrial scale in her posts as can be seen from the links below and has the hypocrisy to attack Amanda for lying. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11938562#post11938562
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11942852#post11942852
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11598412#post11598412
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11427461#post11427461
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11951893#post11951893
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11982023#post11982023
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12107306#post12107306
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12200863#post12200863
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12297573#post12297573
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12297575#post12297575

* Vixen viciously attacks Amanda for lying when lies have been told about Amanda on numerous occasions as can be seen from the list at the bottom. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral. This is like calling a victim of theft a thief.


* Vixen viciously attacks Amanda for lying whilst feeling it is perfectly acceptable to lie if it works against Amanda and only objects to lying if it works in Amanda’s favour but doesn't have the courage to admit this. For instance, when witnesses such as Quintavelle and Curalto lied they had seen Amanda and Raffaele, Vixen feels their lies were acceptable as they worked against Amanda. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

* As can be seen from the link below, Vixen falsely accuses Amanda of lying. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12724199#post12724199

* Vixen viciously attacks Amanda for lying when as can be seen from the list of lies told by Vixen, there are numerous instances where Vixen has told lies about Amanda. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

* Vixen doesn't it as immoral to project her lies on to Amanda.

* The facts that Vixen has to resort to lying to support the argument Amanda has told numerous lies and Amanda would not need to lie because the facts overwhelmingly support the case for innocence and go against the case for guilt, indicates Amanda has not lied. Vixen doesn’t see it as immoral to lie on an industrial scale and attack Amanda for lying when she has not lied.

Instances when lies have been used against Amanda

• The media spread false lies about Amanda :- http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/ • Books, films and documentaries filled with falsehoods have told lies about Amanda John Kercher's book Meredith. The falsehoods are detailed on http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-...l-convictions/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/ http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.or...1e0c2cd6559958 The lifetime move the falsehoods are detailed in chapter 2 of finding justice in Perugia. Barbara Nadeu's book Angel Face. As with John Kercher's book the falsehoods are detailed on http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/ and the chapter Injustice in Perugia on the media. A documentary on British Television is Amanda Knox guilty the rebuttal can be found by searching "is Amanda Knox guilty youtube rebuttal"

• There are several instances of witnesses who gave false testimony against Amanda and Raffaele. Hekuran Kokomani claimed he saw Amanda, Raffaele and Rudy together on the night of the murder. Kokomani was proved to have lied because he said Amanda had gaps in her teeth and an Italian uncle. Fabio Gioffredi said he saw Amanda, Raffaele, Meredith and Rudy on the October 30th 2007 between 4.30 and 5.30 pm. Raffaele's computer shows itense activity from 5.30 pm to 6.30 pm which proved Fabio had lied. The haters have never criticsed these witnesses for lying. The shop owner Quintavelle initially said he did not see Amanda in his shop the morning after the murder and then changed his story a year later to say he had seen Amanda in his shop. The fact the shop owner changed his story proved he has lied at least once. The haters have defended the shop owner. Curalto initially said he did not see Amanda and Raffaele but changed his story later to say he had seen Amanda and Raffaele. Like Quintavelle, Curalto lied at least once. As the link below shows the English friends of Meredith were caught giving false testimony against Amanda in court http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/the-british-girls/

• Amanda’s acquittal under Hellman was annulled on the basis of a motivation report full of lies. In addition Amanda was convicted by Nencini on the basis of a motivation report full of lies. The falsehoods can be found by searching "Injustice anywhere forum Nenci stupid errors" and "Injustice Anywhere forum Chieffi report errors". • As per the links below, the prosecution used lies against Amanda on numerous occasions. In addition to the lies listed below, Amanda was lied to she had HIV by the prosecution. Prosecutor Comodi lied to Amanda in court by asking Amanda why she called her mother at twelve when phone records show Amanda called her mother at 12.47. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-evidence-downstairs-apartment/ https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com...old-about-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito/ http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html

 

[acbytesla]

I see Vixen is back. Are you prepared Vixen to admit you were wrong about Knox and her family

flying on a private jet home?

Or that cell phone base station antennas don't rotate?

 

[Stacyhs]

Aviello used it in his defence when he was cleared of lying in court. In effect, the court accepted his claim Bongiorno - Raff's counsel - bribed him to pervert justice.



https://uk.blastingnews.com/world/2...and-raffaele-sollecito-cleared-002325513.html

Q.E.D ::

Are you seriously claiming this proves that Aviello was bribed by Bongiorno? It does no such thing. That article is a year and a half old. Has Bongiorno or Francesco Sollecito (whom Aviello also accused of bribing him) been charged with any crime? No. Why is that?

I also found this in the Italian news:

The acquittal of the accused was also solicited this morning by the public prosecutor's office following the testimony of a policeman of the mobile squad who explained in the courtroom that he had not started investigations into Aviello's statements because he was considered unreliable.

https://www.umbria24.it/cronaca/mio-fratello-ha-ucciso-meredith-kercher-assolto-il-pentito-bugiardo

Looks more to me like Aviello was acquitted because, once again, the police screwed up.

I also looked up the author of the Blastingnews* article. Krissy Allen seems a bit obsessed with Knox as that's about all she's written about in her very limited career there. When I clicked on her name, it took me to her writing history where I found 4-5 articles on Knox and one on Cheddar Man. I only mention the Cheddar Man article as you, Vixen, started a thread about Cheddar Man on ISF before. I thought you might enjoy reading Krissy's article:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327033


Krissy Allen's writing style seems very, very familiar and her articles are all very critical of Knox. They are less than subtle with their snark. Funny thing is, a few minutes later, I clicked on her name again and the link to her writing history had just disappeared. Only a blank page appeared. It's a mystery.

*

Blasting News is a digital news publisher seeking to apply the concept of collective intelligence to news reporting—usually referred to as social journalism, citizen journalism or collaborative journalism.

Wikipedia

Blasting News is an open site where anyone can post their 'news'. It's basically for wannabe writers and/or those with an agenda. It's certainly not a credible news site.

 

[Stacyhs]

Vixen also thinks it's logical that Amanda would go to buy bleach at a store just a few doors down from Raff's where there was a bottle and a half of bleach in the bathroom.

Man, that is some logical reasoning!

It's ridiculous to think Hitler was a mass murderer when he was a tee-totaller and loved his dog.

The way your mind works is fascinating.

 

[Stacyhs]

How do you know it wasn't new?

We don't. But are you in the habit of wearing your intimates straight out of the package without washing them first? EW. Double EWWWWWW.

 

[Stacyhs]

I see Vixen is back. Are you prepared Vixen to admit you were wrong about Knox and her family

flying on a private jet home?

Or that cell phone base station antennas don't rotate?

That'll happen when Trump admits he's not the greatest president in the history of the US or maybe even the world.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Vixen lies on an industrial scale in her posts as can be seen from the links below and has the hypocrisy to attack Amanda for lying. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11938562#post11938562
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11942852#post11942852
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11598412#post11598412
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11427461#post11427461
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11951893#post11951893
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11982023#post11982023
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12107306#post12107306
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12200863#post12200863
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12297573#post12297573
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12297575#post12297575

* Vixen viciously attacks Amanda for lying when lies have been told about Amanda on numerous occasions as can be seen from the list at the bottom. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral. This is like calling a victim of theft a thief.


* Vixen viciously attacks Amanda for lying whilst feeling it is perfectly acceptable to lie if it works against Amanda and only objects to lying if it works in Amanda’s favour but doesn't have the courage to admit this. For instance, when witnesses such as Quintavelle and Curalto lied they had seen Amanda and Raffaele, Vixen feels their lies were acceptable as they worked against Amanda. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

* As can be seen from the link below, Vixen falsely accuses Amanda of lying. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12724199#post12724199

* Vixen viciously attacks Amanda for lying when as can be seen from the list of lies told by Vixen, there are numerous instances where Vixen has told lies about Amanda. Vixen doesn’t see this as immoral.

* Vixen doesn't it as immoral to project her lies on to Amanda.

* The facts that Vixen has to resort to lying to support the argument Amanda has told numerous lies and Amanda would not need to lie because the facts overwhelmingly support the case for innocence and go against the case for guilt, indicates Amanda has not lied. Vixen doesn’t see it as immoral to lie on an industrial scale and attack Amanda for lying when she has not lied.

Instances when lies have been used against Amanda

• The media spread false lies about Amanda :- http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/ • Books, films and documentaries filled with falsehoods have told lies about Amanda John Kercher's book Meredith. The falsehoods are detailed on http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-...l-convictions/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/ http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.or...1e0c2cd6559958 The lifetime move the falsehoods are detailed in chapter 2 of finding justice in Perugia. Barbara Nadeu's book Angel Face. As with John Kercher's book the falsehoods are detailed on http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/ and the chapter Injustice in Perugia on the media. A documentary on British Television is Amanda Knox guilty the rebuttal can be found by searching "is Amanda Knox guilty youtube rebuttal"

• There are several instances of witnesses who gave false testimony against Amanda and Raffaele. Hekuran Kokomani claimed he saw Amanda, Raffaele and Rudy together on the night of the murder. Kokomani was proved to have lied because he said Amanda had gaps in her teeth and an Italian uncle. Fabio Gioffredi said he saw Amanda, Raffaele, Meredith and Rudy on the October 30th 2007 between 4.30 and 5.30 pm. Raffaele's computer shows itense activity from 5.30 pm to 6.30 pm which proved Fabio had lied. The haters have never criticsed these witnesses for lying. The shop owner Quintavelle initially said he did not see Amanda in his shop the morning after the murder and then changed his story a year later to say he had seen Amanda in his shop. The fact the shop owner changed his story proved he has lied at least once. The haters have defended the shop owner. Curalto initially said he did not see Amanda and Raffaele but changed his story later to say he had seen Amanda and Raffaele. Like Quintavelle, Curalto lied at least once. As the link below shows the English friends of Meredith were caught giving false testimony against Amanda in court http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/the-british-girls/

• Amanda’s acquittal under Hellman was annulled on the basis of a motivation report full of lies. In addition Amanda was convicted by Nencini on the basis of a motivation report full of lies. The falsehoods can be found by searching "Injustice anywhere forum Nenci stupid errors" and "Injustice Anywhere forum Chieffi report errors". • As per the links below, the prosecution used lies against Amanda on numerous occasions. In addition to the lies listed below, Amanda was lied to she had HIV by the prosecution. Prosecutor Comodi lied to Amanda in court by asking Amanda why she called her mother at twelve when phone records show Amanda called her mother at 12.47. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-evidence-downstairs-apartment/ https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com...old-about-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito/ http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html

Welshman,
Wow, that truly is a monumental number of lies.

Vixen, can you address these lies? Or perhaps just some of them? Or maybe just one? I know you don't want to be viewed as a pathological liar with an agenda.

Until you address and correct some of these lies, do you think it best to not call other people pathological liars?