The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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phiwum said:
I don't believe that is all that clear.

The Justice Department has wide latitude to interpret the requirements of such laws and told the DNI that the whistleblower law didn't apply here. The DNI is bound to follow their advice.

Whether Justice came to the right conclusion may be debatable, but there's an argument that the whistleblower law was for finding issues in the intelligence community and the president isn't part of that community. There's an argument to be had there.
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The Justice Department is run by Bill Barr, who Trump mentions by name in the "Transcript" as someone Trump will tell to call the Ukrainian government to "get to the bottom" of the Biden allegations.

Did Barr know about the DoJ going through the process to make that determination? Did he recuse himself from the discussion? Barr might argue that the DoJ decision was correct, but he should not have been the one making that decision in the first place.
 
phiwum said:
I don't believe that is all that clear.

The Justice Department has wide latitude to interpret the requirements of such laws and told the DNI that the whistleblower law didn't apply here. The DNI is bound to follow their advice.

Whether Justice came to the right conclusion may be debatable, but there's an argument that the whistleblower law was for finding issues in the intelligence community and the president isn't part of that community. There's an argument to be had there.
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Maybe he was bound to follow their advice, but then maybe he should have written his own complaint about how the DoJ handled the situation to assist Trump's cover-up.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

The President of Ukraine said that he was NOT pressured by me to do anything wrong. Can’t have better testimony than that! As V.P., Biden had his son, on the other hand, take out millions of dollars by strong arming the Ukrainian President. Also looted millions from China. Bad!
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Trump & Zelensky had another phone call yesterday:

Zelensky: Gosh, those reporters over there are off the hook.
Trump: Fake News! Enemy of the people!
Zelensky: I am behind you 100%, and I'll support your story.
Trump: That's beautifully perfect and honorable!
Zelensky: Thanks. I wanted to talk to you about much more aid.
Trump: I don't know, I'm in a fight for my life right now.
Zelensky: It's OK, I get it. Wouldn't it be a shame if someone in my administration released the real transcript. But, I'll do everything I can to prevent it, if only I didn't have those damn Russians distracting me...
Trump: :confused:
Zelensky: It would be a shame if... well, I'm sure you can imagine...
Trump: :shocked: You're a strong and powerful ally, I'll do what I can...
Zelensky: You are too kind, Sir. Keep your eyes on the ball... Sir.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Fake claims of grandiose wealth are a dime-a-dozen in the wannabe billionaire set. What he is frightened of is revealing how and where he got his income.
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Of course he is. He lost all of daddy's money and only stayed afloat enabling Russian money laundering. He definitely doesn't want that out in the open. I don't think his ego would take it.
 
Mojo said:
So Trump was right: they are a spy!

;)
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That's got to be a violation of some sort of non-disclosure agreement, right? That's exactly what Trump has been looking for to stop the impeachment in the courts. ;)

Speaking after arriving at Andrews Air Force Base, Trump questioned if the investigation could be halted through court action.

"What these guys are doing – Democrats – are doing to this country is a disgrace and it shouldn't be allowed," Trump said. "There should be a way of stopping it. Maybe legally through the courts."
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TragicMonkey said:
He can't release them, he's being audited by the IRS.

Speaking of which, a rumor is spreading that a second whistleblower is surfacing, encouraged by the first, and this one's IRS. I doubt it's true but I mention it now so I'll look super prescient and smart if it happens.
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Another one from the IRS?

Or is this the one from before this particular whistleblowing caught the attention of much more of the media, where the complaint was that Trump and his lackeys had been taking... distinctly inappropriate actions to influence the audit.
 
Trump Tweets

The Democrats are now to be known as the DO NOTHING PARTY!

Sounding more and more like the so-called Whistleblower isn’t a Whistleblower at all. In addition, all second hand information that proved to be so inaccurate that there may not have even been somebody else, a leaker or spy, feeding it to him or her? A partisan operative?
 
Armitage72 said:
That's got to be a violation of some sort of non-disclosure agreement, right? That's exactly what Trump has been looking for to stop the impeachment in the courts. ;)
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Trump has never understood the Constitution and the system of checks and balances.

He doesn't know that Impeachment cannot be stopped by the courts. They don't have that authority. Now, theoretically, the Supreme Court could make some farcical ruling but it wouldn't be based on the law. At which point the whole system will have crashed. Because at that point, the House would have to ignore the court and there goes 200 years of judicial review or cave and give up any power the legislative branch has.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Speaking of which, a rumor is spreading that a second whistleblower is surfacing, encouraged by the first, and this one's IRS. I doubt it's true but I mention it now so I'll look super prescient and smart if it happens.
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Actually if its the same case I'm thinking of, its already been mentioned on this forum before.

The other whistleblower is claiming that Trump is trying to illegally influence the audits of his personal tax returns. That case actually came first (reported in July), and unlike the Ukranian case, was reported directly to congress.

Hasn't made quite the same impact (yet)... maybe because the case is a little more difficult to build (they're still fighting to get Trump's tax returns), or maybe because of the personalities of the people involved.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...eblower_n_5d5d9d27e4b0d043dd74965f?ri18n=true
 
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Trump should consider what used to be done to unpopular and corrupt leaders before he pines for the good old days.
 
Trump isn't saying he didn't do any criminal acts.
He's saying that he wants to execute those who brought his criminal conduct to light.
 
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