The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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quadraginta said:
So.

You're saying that either option would apply equally well?

After all, there is little if any question that he is corrupt enough to merit impeachment.

And virtually no question at all that he is too unstable to be trusted with the responsibilities of the office of the POTUS.

Either way works for me, as long as he gets gone.
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Nope...though I want Trump out of the White House very,very, badly..I was just pointing out that the 25th Amendment is not applicable where criminal or corruption is involved. It is in case the President is unable to perform his duties for health reasons, physical or mental.
If a president were to have a heart attack and go into a coma, that might last for weeks, that is where the 25th would come into play. It legally does not apply if the issue is corruption and criminal behavior. That is where Impeahcment comes in.
 
dudalb said:
Nope...though I want Trump out of the White House very,very, badly..I was just pointing out that the 25th Amendment is not applicable where criminal or corruption is involved. It is in case the President is unable to perform his duties for health reasons, physical or mental.
If a president were to have a heart attack and go into a coma, that might last for weeks, that is where the 25th would come into play. It legally does not apply if the issue is corruption and criminal behavior. That is where Impeahcment comes in.
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Melania could hide his condition and govern in his stead a la Edith Wilson.

OK...I had a hard time typing that while laughing hysterically. As if Melania could do anything other than design the WH Christmas decorations.
 
Stacyhs said:
Melania could hide his condition and govern in his stead a la Edith Wilson.

OK...I had a hard time typing that while laughing hysterically. As if Melania could do anything other than design the WH Christmas decorations.
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She can probably do darn near anything more competently than Don.
 
Stacyhs said:
Melania could hide his condition and govern in his stead a la Edith Wilson.

OK...I had a hard time typing that while laughing hysterically. As if Melania could do anything other than design the WH Christmas decorations.
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I think you are really overrating Melania's abilities.
 
phiwum said:
Every movie is better with CGI surely. All them pretty and exciting pitchers and no real need for boring chatter.

Get with the times.

(I confess I haven't watched Dam Busters yet. It's on my list.)
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I grew up in a military family. My father was a USAF squadron leader. I think there wasn't a military film made that we didn't watch several times. His favorite: 633 Squadron.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I predict that Trump will start blasting every Republican who doesn't straight out support him publicly.
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Wait until Donny finds out that even Hannity thinks this is "really bad".

“It’s Management Bedlam”: Madness at Fox News as Trump Faces Impeachment

Vanity Fair said:
In public, Donald Trump’s allies are putting on a brave face, repeating talking points, mostly staying on message. But in private, there are few who believe that the allegations leveled by an intelligence agency whistle-blower that Trump abused American foreign policy to leverage Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden won’t result in considerable damage—if not the complete unraveling of his presidency. “I don’t see how they don’t impeach,” a former West Wing official told me today. “This could unwind very fast, and I mean in days,” a prominent Republican said.

Trump’s final bulwark is liable to be his first one: Fox News. Fox controls the flow of information—what facts are, whether allegations are to be believed—to huge swaths of his base. And Republican senators, who will ultimately decide whether the president remains in office, are in turn exquisitely sensitive to the opinions of Trump’s base. But even before the whistle-blower’s revelations, Fox was having something of a Trump identity crisis, and that bulwark has been wavering. In recent weeks, Trump has bashed Fox News on Twitter, taking particular issue lately with its polling, which, like other reputable polls, has shown the president under significant water. Meanwhile, Trump’s biggest booster seems to be having doubts of his own. This morning, Sean Hannity told friends the whistle-blower’s allegations are “really bad,” a person briefed on Hannity’s conversations told me. (Hannity did not respond to a request for comment). And according to four sources, Fox Corp CEO Lachlan Murdoch is already thinking about how to position the network for a post-Trump future. A person close to Lachlan told me that Fox News has been the highest rated cable network for seventeen years, and “the success has never depended on any one administration.” (A Fox Corp spokesperson declined to comment.)
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Looking forward to Trump declaring that Fox is fake news too.
 
Tero said:
When will Trump's execution of the whistleblower take place? Will there be tickets like for the rallies?
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We're reaching the point where I'd expect the execution might be televised and Donnie himself would pull the switch. Or would he use a bat like DeNiro in "The Untouchables?"

Make America Great Again. :(

(You imagine someone waking up who's been in a coma since 2014 and reading all of this?)

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The Great Zaganza said:
I predict that Trump will start blasting every Republican who doesn't straight out support him publicly.
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I predict he'll try to throw Giuliani under the bus and Giuliani will sing like a bird, possibly by mistaking damning evidence against them both as exonerating evidence for him personally. I judge Giuliani's grasp of reality to be about on level with Trump's loyalty to his underlings. It's not a recipe for success.
 
phiwum said:
No damages so long as he remains anonymous, I reckon.
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Not much chance of that after the NYT reveal.

TragicMonkey said:
In another era a couple of senior Republicans would call upon Trump in his study, have a polite but frank chat about the obligations of a gentleman, and then leave him alone with a revolver.

However that would be unthinkable now; of all the things Trump's been accused of in his long and dreadful life, being a gentleman isn't one of them.
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Instead, we've got Trump pretty much talking about how he wants to execute this whistleblower.

TragicMonkey said:
I predict he'll try to throw Giuliani under the bus and Giuliani will sing like a bird, possibly by mistaking damning evidence against them both as exonerating evidence for him personally. I judge Giuliani's grasp of reality to be about on level with Trump's loyalty to his underlings. It's not a recipe for success.
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Mmm.

In screaming rant, Rudy tells reporter, 'These morons — when this is over, I will be the hero'

In other news...

New polling shows that only Republicans don't want a national popular vote

A Civiqs survey of 1,548 registered U.S. voters, held Sept. 21-24, asked respondents if they support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. More than half—52%—said they would support a “one person, one vote” initiative such as the NPVIC. Breaking down the numbers, the division is strictly along party lines: 89% of Democratic voters supported a popular vote initiative, while 78% of Republicans opposed the idea.
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Not really a surprise.

Top immigration attorney calls policy forcing asylum-seekers to Mexico a 'dangerous, chaotic mess'

I'll add cruel and evil on top of that.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Wait until Donny finds out that even Hannity thinks this is "really bad".

“It’s Management Bedlam”: Madness at Fox News as Trump Faces Impeachment




Looking forward to Trump declaring that Fox is fake news too.
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Yeah, I saw that story too. I worry that it sounds too good to be true. If Fox News pivots on Trump, I could see the republican base pivoting, and with Paul Ryan (Who is on the Fox News board and apparently embarrassed by Trump), they have someone who might still have enough influence to convince Senate Republicans that they're better off not protecting Trump.

And yes, I realize that's a lot of if's, so I'm not holding my breath.
 
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His fantasies of running things from his Imperial Palace are getting more weird. Last week (actually just a couple of days ago, I think) he said that if a Republican had done or said what Biden has done or said, they'd get the electric chair. The implication is obvious. He's fantasizing about executing his opponents.

His latest is that anyone who gave information to the whistleblower is no better than a spy and... wink wink nudge nudge... we all know how spies were handled in the past.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/trump-whistleblower-sources-punishment/index.html

Wait'll he finds out what he did was treasonous, as was Giuliani's participation, and Barr's. Will they have a three way suicide pact like that episode of Gotham where they all stood in a circle? Can we get Mnuchin and Pompeo and DeVoss in there?
 
dudalb said:
BTW I keep on reading oen reason why Trump wants so badly to be reelected is he is going to face huge legal problems once he leaves the office of President. So it might not just be his huge ego at work.
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It's his ego. He started his reelection campaign the day after his inauguration. Now part of that was almost certainly Trump manipulating campaign donations. He has a long history of manipulating funds in his own charity.

But there was probably also his obsession to outdo Obama who was reelected that played on Trump's mind.
 
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