The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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BTW I keep on reading oen reason why Trump wants so badly to be reelected is he is going to face huge legal problems once he leaves the office of President. So it might not just be his huge ego at work.
 
dudalb said:
Like someone said, with most Presidents, rather then formally invoking 25th a group of the party senior leaders would tell him in a private meeting it's time to go before he drags the party down with him.
Problem is Trump does not care about the GOP except as an instrument of his will. He is a pure narcissist.
ANd, anyway, the 25th was not designed to remove a President for corruption or wrongdoing,..that is what Impeachment is for..... but because he is unable to perform the duties of president due to physical or mental reasons.
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My point was that if (when) Trump becomes a liability, rather than risk an impeachment, and all the dirt that will come out on lots of other Republicans, they could probably get him out of the way of cross examination via the 25th and get Pence as a Gerald Ford.
 
I know it's a long shot, but I'm hoping some Republican comes out and calls it what it is; abuse of office past the point of acceptability by anyone. Maybe if one person has the courage to do so, others will follow and the rats will desert a sinking ship. But I rather doubt it from what I've seen.
 
TragicMonkey said:
In another era a couple of senior Republicans would call upon Trump in his study, have a polite but frank chat about the obligations of a gentleman, and then leave him alone with a revolver.

However that would be unthinkable now; of all the things Trump's been accused of in his long and dreadful life, being a gentleman isn't one of them.
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Just leave him with the revolver and skip the chat. Maybe say something about how Obama said that Trump couldn't safely handle a loaded gun and leave the room.
 
Stacyhs said:
I know it's a long shot, but I'm hoping some Republican comes out and calls it what it is; abuse of office past the point of acceptability by anyone. Maybe if one person has the courage to do so, others will follow and the rats will desert a sinking ship. But I rather doubt it from what I've seen.
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I'm sure Susan Collins will have concerns.

I've already heard one Rep representative who expressed his concerns, and said, hey Trump, you shouldn't have done that. He basically had the same response I have when my kids don't put their milk cup back in the fridge after dinner.
 
pgwenthold said:
I'm sure Susan Collins will have concerns.

I've already heard one Rep representative who expressed his concerns, and said, hey Trump, you shouldn't have done that. He basically had the same response I have when my kids don't put their milk cup back in the fridge after dinner.
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I'm sure she does, as well as many other GOP Congress members. However, stating so in public seems to take some courage and ethics they are lacking so far.
 
I think that when he finally feels the **** hitting the fan, he's going to resign -- it's the only way in his mind to save face. "You didn't fire me! I quit!"
 
alfaniner said:
I think that when he finally feels the **** hitting the fan, he's going to resign -- it's the only way in his mind to save face. "You didn't fire me! I quit!"
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Trump is hard to predict, but I don't see it.
 
alfaniner said:
I think that when he finally feels the **** hitting the fan, he's going to resign -- it's the only way in his mind to save face. "You didn't fire me! I quit!"
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Unless he is afraid of the huge legal problems that are almost certain to hit him once he loses the immunity of the office of the President.
 
Stacyhs said:
Neither do I.
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Agreed, because of the legal problems once he leaves office.
Only way this happens is if a deal is reached for congress to vote him some kind of immunity if he quits.
And we can have a fun debate about this.
 
dudalb said:
God, I wish Peter Jackson would make that Dambusters movie he has been talking about for about Ten years now.
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Why? there's a perfectly good Dambusters movie that will be more true to the events, ethos and spirit of the time than anything Peter Jackson could spew up.
 
alfaniner said:
I think that when he finally feels the **** hitting the fan, he's going to resign -- it's the only way in his mind to save face. "You didn't fire me! I quit!"
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Today, he said, "There should be a way of stopping (impeachment) -- maybe legally, through the courts." Maybe legally, but he's exploring his options.
 
dudalb said:
Agreed, because of the legal problems once he leaves office.
Only way this happens is if a deal is reached for congress to vote him some kind of immunity if he quits.
And we can have a fun debate about this.
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He can resign on the condition that Pence pardons him. I don't see why this is an issue.

Doesn't prevent state or local charges, but neither can Congress, far as I know.
 
phiwum said:
Just leave him with the revolver and skip the chat. Maybe say something about how Obama said that Trump couldn't safely handle a loaded gun and leave the room.
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I was considering posting thoughts about Trump choosing Nixon's route. More specifically, the Marvel Comics version of Nixon.

Rather than face capture, Number One unmasked himself, then committed suicide. The leader of the Secret Empire was revealed to be a very high U.S. government official attempting a coup d'état. Although his identity and face are never revealed to the reader, it is strongly implied in the dialogue that Number One was the President of the United States. The government covered up his guilt and suicide with the help of a double. This led to Captain America giving up his role for a while and taking on the role of Nomad. The story was first published in 1973, when the sitting president was Richard Nixon, embroiled at the time in the Watergate scandal. Writer Steve Englehart specifically intended this issue as a metaphor of the Watergate case and the Nixon era.
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dudalb said:
Like someone said, with most Presidents, rather then formally invoking 25th a group of the party senior leaders would tell him in a private meeting it's time to go before he drags the party down with him.
Problem is Trump does not care about the GOP except as an instrument of his will. He is a pure narcissist.
ANd, anyway, the 25th was not designed to remove a President for corruption or wrongdoing,..that is what Impeachment is for..... but because he is unable to perform the duties of president due to physical or mental reasons.
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So.

You're saying that either option would apply equally well?

After all, there is little if any question that he is corrupt enough to merit impeachment.

And virtually no question at all that he is too unstable to be trusted with the responsibilities of the office of the POTUS.

Either way works for me, as long as he gets gone.
 
phiwum said:
Just leave him with the revolver and skip the chat. Maybe say something about how Obama said that Trump couldn't safely handle a loaded gun and leave the room.
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Maybe send Don Jr. and Eric in and tell them that blob sitting behind the desk is an endangered rhino.
 
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