Questions about Chemical Bondings?

[Kumar]

Hello,

Let me change the subject & see the result.

1. In molecular bonding of atoms of same molecules, whether all atoms bind at same site/point of itself & other atom/s or can these sites be different in every bonding?

2. If not at same site, will/can it effect quality, property or structure of different molecule with same chemical composition?

3. If yes, can bonding sites on atoms be altered by any mean?

Best wishes.

 

[steenkh]

I do not believe atoms have any features that makes it sensible to talk about bonding points. They have no north, south, or any kind of coordinate system. When they bond with other atoms these bondings relate to each others in specific angles depending on how all the atoms repel or attract each other.

 

[Kumar]

I do not believe atoms have any features that makes it sensible to talk about bonding points. They have no north, south, or any kind of coordinate system. When they bond with other atoms these bondings relate to each others in specific angles depending on how all the atoms repel or attract each other.

Hello steenkh,

But still directions/form of atoms should be there, and on electron spins, can't their be different bonding sites?

Can different molecules of same substance be different in any way? Whether molecular arreangements can be different in one lattice making it different than others?

 

[Wudang]

First, find out
what an atom is as your question says you don't know
what a molecule is, and the difference between it and atom and between both and an element.
For your further questions, the term is "chemical isomers". To change one into another requires basically taking the whole thing apart and putting it back together.

 

[Kumar]

First, find out
what an atom is as your question says you don't know
what a molecule is, and the difference between it and atom and between both and an element.
For your further questions, the term is "chemical isomers". To change one into another requires basically taking the whole thing apart and putting it back together.

These can be just one & many.

Anyway thanks.

In chemistry, isomers are molecules with the same chemical formula and often with the same kinds of bonds between atoms, but in which the atoms are arranged differently. Many isomers share similar if not identical properties in most chemical contexts.

A simple example of isomerism is given by propanol: it has the formula C3H8O (or C3H7OH) and the isomers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomer

Let me ask directly about my thought, if you don't mind.

Can there be any isomeric change in carriers(water, alcohol or lactose) molecules due to homeopathic potentization process?

 

[burrahobbit]

Kumar

Molecules are not actually like those nice three dimensional models that are printed in books. And electrons do not spin like a top

The truth is much more complicated.

Read a good physics book.

BTW Water does not have any isomers. And succussing cannot change one isomer to another. Also the properties of the different isomers are quite well known and are non homeopathic

 

[MRC_Hans]

Let me ask directly about my thought, if you don't mind.

Yes, that would be a good idea if you did that. Would save a lot of trouble.

Can there be any isomeric change in carriers(water, alcohol or lactose) molecules due to homeopathic potentization process?

Because then we could go straight to the answer:

:

None whatsoever.

Hans

 

[clarsct]

Ummmmmmm..

Wow.


Kumar.

There are these great things at Amazon.com called CHEMISTRY TEXTBOOKS. Read one. Read many. Even a basic High School chemistry text should disabuse you of any such notion.

 

[MRWiffen]

Kumar

Molecules are not actually like those nice three dimensional models that are printed in books. And electrons do not spin like a top

The truth is much more complicated.

Read a good physics book.

BTW Water does not have any isomers. And succussing cannot change one isomer to another. Also the properties of the different isomers are quite well known and are non homeopathic

I'd recomend a good physchem book where it explains atomic and molecular orbitals and how they interact. Or to simplify it take a rubber ball and make a mark on it. Throw it high in the air and see if when it lands the spot is in the same orientation as before (roughly an s-orbital bonding site i.e. hydrogen) Oxygen is more complex, it has p-orbitals whcih has three sets of crossing lines (think of a three dimensional graph). These orbitals are all the same, there is nothing special about any of them to give a person the ability to orient them in space. The earth (which people seem to use as a reference) has an up and down associated because of the magnetic field, atoms and molecules do not.

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*The earth (which people seem to use as a reference) has an up and down associated because of the magnetic field, atoms and molecules do not.

Pssst! Gravity. Gravity is the word. Magnetism has little to do with our sense of up and down (not that it matters to Kumar, who hasn't a clue in the first place).

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Kumar

Molecules are not actually like those nice three dimensional models that are printed in books. And electrons do not spin like a top

The truth is much more complicated.

Read a good physics book.

BTW Water does not have any isomers. And succussing cannot change one isomer to another. Also the properties of the different isomers are quite well known and are non homeopathic

Btw, Do you find any difference (even minor) betwwen distilled water in different bottles or in other substances? If no figure/dimentions are there how isomers can be there?

 

[Kumar]

Ummmmmmm..

Wow.


Kumar.

There are these great things at Amazon.com called CHEMISTRY TEXTBOOKS. Read one. Read many. Even a basic High School chemistry text should disabuse you of any such notion.

Sorry, but whatever for, I am trying to add to science dynamically, may not be available in routines? Can it be?

 

[Kumar]

Yes, that would be a good idea if you did that. Would save a lot of trouble.



Because then we could go straight to the answer:

:

None whatsoever.

Hans

Yes.

Slightest change in structure?Think dynamically.

 

[Kumar]

Pssst! Gravity. Gravity is the word. Magnetism has little to do with our sense of up and down (not that it matters to Kumar, who hasn't a clue in the first place).

Hans

During potentization, how gravity can effect disassociated particles or molecules? How MF/aura(name it scientifically) of disassociated particles/molecules can be effected on potentization?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Sorry, but whatever for, I am trying to add to science dynamically, may not be available in routines? Can it be?

Translation: Nooo I don't want to learn something real! All I want is to entertain my own ideas.

(in Kumarese, "dynamic" = "anyhing that pops into Kumar's mind")

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Translation: Nooo I don't want to learn something real! All I want is to entertain my own ideas.

Hans

Then we may not add but just can read/repeat.:rolls:

I may also like/want to entertain my ideas.

 

[MRC_Hans]

During potentization, how gravity can effect disassociated particles or molecules? How MF/aura(name it scientifically) of disassociated particles/molecules can be effected on potentization?

Nonsense. MF/aura? Do you mean shedded skin particles? (that was IIRR your last bid for what aura is .

Slightest change in structure?Think dynamically.

"Think dynamically" means: Be wrong.

Kumar, there is no measuarable change in structure in water before and after shaking it. Once the agitation stops and any temperature rise dissipates, there is no difference. None. Nada. Zilch. There may be some little water cluster at the surface tension zone that has changed, but water clusters are notoriously unstable and change all the time. Kumar, there is nothing there.

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Nonsense. MF/aura? Do you mean shedded skin particles? (that was IIRR your last bid for what aura is .


"Think dynamically" means: Be wrong.

Kumar, there is no measuarable change in structure in water before and after shaking it. Once the agitation stops and any temperature rise dissipates, there is no difference. None. Nada. Zilch. There may be some little water cluster at the surface tension zone that has changed, but water clusters are notoriously unstable and change all the time. Kumar, there is nothing there.

Hans

What about by mixing other substance initially, potentise & dilute it out later?

 

[Wudang]

Sorry, but whatever for, I am trying to add to science dynamically, may not be available in routines? Can it be?

How can you add to something when you willfully remain ignorant of it? Why anyone chooses to remain ignorant when knowledge is available always baffles me.

 

[MRC_Hans]

What about it? Kumar, "potentize" means shake. What do you think happens when something is shaken? It gets mixed, if there is anything to mix. Physical agitation is used ALL the time in laboratories and factories. It mixes things, period.

Hans