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Cont: Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p2

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Distracted1 said:
Like The Constitution?

Any two Judges reading the text would come to the same conclusion as to its' meaning?
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Who said anything about the same conclusion?

Treating your analogy with more grace than it remotely deserves, we don't demand that only the people who debated the wording, wrote the final draft, and ratified it with a vote; be allowed to interpret the Constitution and rule on its meaning.

No, we agree that any reasonably competent and experienced jurist can render their own professional, expert opinion of the document.

Same thing here.
 
plague311 said:
They're going over trajectory and this angle is pretty tough to explain away. I mean, he had to be leaning over almost completely at the waist.

Holy ****

ETA: It really, really, really, really looks like he was starting to stand up.
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Or maybe heading down to the ground to duck?
 
plague311 said:
They're going over trajectory and this angle is pretty tough to explain away. I mean, he had to be leaning over almost completely at the waist.

Holy ****

ETA: It really, really, really, really looks like he was starting to stand up.
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Yep exactly the kind of thing that makes police fear for their lives.
 
plague311 said:
Bullet trajectory said he was shot as he was getting up, and then he took a few steps before collapsing. She was in the doorway and shot him in front of his TV, which was on and emitting light.

As tough as this witness is, he's still only getting her to the door. It doesn't rationalize what happened afterwards.
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They covered this last night in the recap. Botham fell backwards towards the couch i.e. his head was nearest to the couch with his feet furthest away. So it appears he did make some steps towards the door. Given the testimony I think Guyger shot him when his was getting up and he made a few steps before collapsing backwards.
 
plague311 said:
That could be possible, but the way it sounds the shots were fired too quick for him to have a reaction (all witnesses say bang, bang).

The defense is bringing up the ducking right now.
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There was also a witness(cited earlier in the thread) who heard Botham yell "what did you do that for?"
 
Elagabalus said:
They covered this last night in the recap. Botham fell backwards towards the couch i.e. his head was nearest to the couch with his feet furthest away. So it appears he did make some steps towards the door. Given the testimony I think Guyger shot him when his was getting up and he made a few steps before collapsing backwards.
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That's pretty much what the ME said as well.

The defense was going for, what I think Dr. Keith was saying, that he charged towards her, saw the gun, ducked, got shot and fell backwards. The ME kind of implied that if he had forward movement as to be rushing someone he wouldn't have fallen backwards. The "oompf" of the bullet wouldn't have been enough to throw a 247 lbs. 6' 1" man backwards if he had forward momentum.

Crime Scene Analyst on the stand now.
 
Elagabalus said:
They covered this last night in the recap. Botham fell backwards towards the couch i.e. his head was nearest to the couch with his feet furthest away. So it appears he did make some steps towards the door. Given the testimony I think Guyger shot him when his was getting up and he made a few steps before collapsing backwards.
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I was skeptical that Murder was really a reasonably possible outcome, but if they can convince the jury that Guyger shot him while he was standing up, that might be enough to bump a lesser charge up to something substantial.

Even bootlickers aren't going to like the idea of a cop gunning down a man on his own couch.
 
Prosecutor just pointed out that the TV and the laptop were emitting light directly at Jean (was mentioned earlier, confirmed by the analyst now).
 
Prosecutor showed a picture of Guyger with all of her gear on taken after she was arrested. First thing he shows is that she has a taser on her gear belt. Defense objected, got sustained, but the prosecutor rephrased and brought it up again. Just pointed out the pepper spray but can't get the witness to say it's pepper spray.
 
plague311 said:
Prosecutor showed a picture of Guyger with all of her gear on taken after she was arrested. First thing he shows is that she has a taser on her gear belt. Defense objected, got sustained, but the prosecutor rephrased and brought it up again. Just pointed out the pepper spray but can't get the witness to say it's pepper spray.
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What was the basis for the objection, and for sustaining it? I could imagine the prosecutor saying "Ma'am, were you wearing your full uniform and equipment?" "Yes." "What would that consist of?" What's the problem?
 
Bob001 said:
What was the basis for the objection, and for sustaining it? I could imagine the prosecutor saying "Ma'am, were you wearing your full uniform and equipment?" "Yes." "What would that consist of?" What's the problem?
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Objection because the defense claimed the prosecutor was testifying for the witness on the stand. He rephrased by circling items on Guyger's belt and asking the witness to identify them rather than him saying what they are.

"Can you tell this is a taser?" Objection, sustained.

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"Can you tell me what the circled item is?"

"It's a taser"
 
Prosecutor is basically walking the crime scene analyst through each and every little detail that's different between Guyger's apt and Jean's apt.

Jean liked red. There's a bright red stand in his apt as well.
 
plague311 said:
Prosecutor is basically walking the crime scene analyst through each and every little detail that's different between Guyger's apt and Jean's apt.

Jean liked red. There's a bright red stand in his apt as well.
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I'd like to know where the light switch is. I have never lived in or even stayed in a place that didn't have a light switch just inside the entrance. If most people thought something wasn't right as they entered their home, they would either back out or flip on the lights. Pulling a gun and opening fire is not -- usually -- the default action.
 
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Bob001 said:
I'd like to know where the light switch is. I have never lived in a place that didn't have a light switch just inside the entrance. If most people thought something wasn't right as they entered their home, they would either back out or flip on the lights. Pulling a gun and opening fire is not -- usually -- the default action.
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They said that there was a light switch right inside.

Looking at the TV it looks like Jean was watching youtube rather than football. The conspiracy grows.
 
plague311 said:
They said that there was a light switch right inside.

Looking at the TV it looks like Jean was watching youtube rather than football. The conspiracy grows.
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Ah well, that changes everything. Maybe he was watching a video about how to be a burglar.
 
plague311 said:
That's pretty much what the ME said as well.

The defense was going for, what I think Dr. Keith was saying, that he charged towards her, saw the gun, ducked, got shot and fell backwards. The ME kind of implied that if he had forward movement as to be rushing someone he wouldn't have fallen backwards. The "oompf" of the bullet wouldn't have been enough to throw a 247 lbs. 6' 1" man backwards if he had forward momentum.

Crime Scene Analyst on the stand now.
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Nah, I was just saying if someone barged into my apartment I would stand up, but if they pulled a gun I would drop. Small target. That is all I would be thinking.

I agree with the ME that there is no way a pistol held by her would knock back a man his size if he had any forward momentum.
 
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