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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

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angrysoba said:
And did you only become averse to lack of experience after Trump as you suggested Democrats have done? Or are you just scrambling to make your initial assertion make sense?

Face it! The reason people don’t like Trump is because he is a racist, sexist, nepotistic, greedy, stupid conman. He’s a walking sack of excrement who constantly ********s and brags about how “tremendous” he is. But no, you think it is his inexperience that Democrats are preoccupied with. Don’t be so stupid.
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Just as a note, I also count lack of relevant experience to be a problem. It's a problem for Yang and it was a problem that I had with Trump. It's actually still a problem I have with Trump, given that it sure feels like he's too busy trying to be a corrupt mob boss, rather than a President. With that said, lack of relevant experience is a problem, but not disqualifying. Trump had a many much more serious negatives, of course, but that doesn't remove the lesser negatives.

With that said... I think that it's good that Yang's pushing what he is, either way, much as a fair bit of that has to do with the Overton window and pointedly putting focus on mechanization - one of the serious and growing underlying issues that the world needs to face and figure out how to handle.
 
Biden is screwing up his response to the Ukraine story. He needs to come out swinging. He has an opportunity here to define the race as him vs Trump. He should be hitting Trump with some low blows and show some passion and anger here.
 
With the huge amount of Caitlin Johnstone fans on this forum I wanted to let you know that she has started to vlog with her hubby - and they are soooo cute and sooo spot on!

A short clip on "electability" of Sanders:

 
Venom said:
I wish Biden would just drop out.
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It's not likely, given his current polling, but... me too. When it comes to "moderate" candidates, I'd greatly prefer someone like Buttigieg, though. By his words, he's naive in similar ways to Biden, yes, but he's notably eloquent, quite obviously intelligent, and so much more.
 
Aridas said:
It's not likely, given his current polling, but... me too. When it comes to "moderate" candidates, I'd greatly prefer someone like Buttigieg, though. By his words, he's naive in similar ways to Biden, yes, but he's notably eloquent, quite obviously intelligent, and so much more.
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At least Buttigieg or Booker would be able to survive in a debate against Trump.
 
Aridas said:
It's not likely, given his current polling, but... me too. When it comes to "moderate" candidates, I'd greatly prefer someone like Buttigieg, though. By his words, he's naive in similar ways to Biden, yes, but he's notably eloquent, quite obviously intelligent, and so much more.
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I'd just like to see him tested in national office. I'm not against mayors being president but South Bend Indiana isn't a big enough training ground for being president. I'd like to see him be a secretary of something maybe and then run. He's young enough and has the time to mature.
 
Progressive media desperate to make Buttigieg complicit in a 2011 police conspiracy in South Bend to remove the black police chief.

I just hate the direction some of us are going to bring everyone else down (to keep Bernie Sanders up).
 
Venom said:
Progressive media desperate to make Buttigieg complicit in a 2011 police conspiracy in South Bend to remove the black police chief.

I just hate the direction some of us are going to bring everyone else down (to keep Bernie Sanders up).
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Or it's the news media's business model that is at issue, not some CT about Sanders' supporters.
 
Craig4 said:
I'd just like to see him tested in national office. I'm not against mayors being president but South Bend Indiana isn't a big enough training ground for being president. I'd like to see him be a secretary of something maybe and then run. He's young enough and has the time to mature.
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Indeed. He's already wildly better than Trump, but not really the best in the field. Give him a few years of experiencing the high levels of the federal government to help prepare him for what he'd have to deal with, though, and he'll likely be great.

Skeptic Ginger said:
Or it's the news media's business model that is at issue, not some CT about Sanders' supporters.
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Could be both! Of course, it could also be the Republicans as they do their best to sabotage all the contenders, both for now and as preparation for later. Buttigieg does rather count as a rising star among the Democrats, after all, much like AOC. Not like many of them would hesitate to try to trick Democrats into thinking that it was actually Progressives on the offensive or using dirty tricks.
 
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What's funny here is that the article is basically arguing Buttigieg's innocence in the whole deal.

Both donors denied the charge to TYT, and the officers, said DePaepe, believed that Buttigieg was unaware of their scheme.
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With the Ukraine/Hunter Biden angle, do we all agree that Joe Biden's campaign is dead in the water?

No matter how bad Trump's corruption and obstruction is on this, too many voters will assume that Biden was up to something fishy - it's another "but her emails".
 
kellyb said:
What's funny here is that the article is basically arguing Buttigieg's innocence in the whole deal.
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I know. And it'd be great if we could all remain so skeptical. Buttigieg was a new, young mayor who was eager to please, perhaps a bit too eager. But the general tenor seems to be there's some shady **** going on with Buttigieg and then it's easy to hand-wave the details of the police conspiracy.

TYT's viewers in particular have already been conditioned to dislike him for whatever reason.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
With the Ukraine/Hunter Biden angle, do we all agree that Joe Biden's campaign is dead in the water?

No matter how bad Trump's corruption and obstruction is on this, too many voters will assume that Biden was up to something fishy - it's another "but her emails".
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It's going to be really hard to credibly argue that there's nothing at all wrong with Hunter getting a $50k a month job at a Ukrainian gas company after his dad helped back a coup and was then partially in charge of US policy there.

The whole "but her emails" thing was merely stupid. This sort of quasi-legal corruption is genuinely problematic.

This is also worth remembering:

https://www.ft.com/content/c98078d0-6ae7-11e6-a0b1-d87a9fea034f
The prospect of Mr Trump, who has praised Ukraine’s arch-enemy Vladimir Putin, becoming leader of the country’s biggest ally has spurred not just Mr Leshchenko but Kiev’s wider political leadership to do something they would never have attempted before: intervene, however indirectly, in a US election.
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