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The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

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Captain_Swoop said:
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Now that the Democrats and the Fake News Media have gone “bust” on every other of their Witch Hunt schemes, they are trying to start one just as ridiculous as the others, call it the Ukraine Witch Hunt, while at the same time trying to protect Sleepy Joe Biden. Will fail again!
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If that's Trump's special way of saying this is another item likely to appear in Articles of Impeachment, I think he's right.
 
Even moderates have begun to feel that the constant accusations against Trump without accreditation is wearing thin. But isn't that Trump's strategy?

Trump is well known for a) being extremely vindictive and b) intolerant of criticism, no matter how well-intentioned. If an appointed government official or someone in the Trump Administration wants to speak out they know it pretty much amounts to career suicide. That's a common practice among leaders like Trump, a way to stifle dissent and restrict speech. When people feel they absolutely have to say something and they do it "on background," anonymously, that allows Trump and his minions to avoid any kind of meaningful response by dismissing the comments out of hand because they are unattributed. They can and do claim the media "made it up," or the whistle blower is a liar with an agenda.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I want to express my gratitude to America’s magnificent @FLOTUS for tonight’s exquisite evening where we celebrated more than a century of loyal and devoted friendship between USA and Australia Both of our nations are blessed by uncommon courage, unfailing commitment, and unyielding character!
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Sounds like a staff Tweet which begs the question, someone else had to compliment Melania?
 
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newyorkguy said:
Even moderates have begun to feel that the constant accusations against Trump without accreditation is wearing thin. But isn't that Trump's strategy?
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At last check, a whole bunch of the accusations against Trump quite have been accredited? I will grant that the illegal total opposition to complying with any and all official Congressional investigation is interfering with a bunch of things there and the constant stream of new serious offenses makes it hard to focus for many, but... that's really not the same as being without accreditation.

If you're talking about impeachment, the "moderate" Democrats and obviously, the Republicans, in the House are the ones who have been blocking it. Pelosi's not likely to call for an impeachment vote when she knows that it will fail, impatient as many Democrats are to officially impeach and remove Trump for the... absurd and growing number of offenses.

This, of course is being impeded by... Journalists behaving badly—the rush to frame the whistleblower story to help Trump. Short summation? We've got a number of news outlets giving credibility to the already fairly well debunked total lies of Giuliani's claims about Ukraine and Biden. If there was actually a real there there, it might be understandable, but this bit of frenzy over a blatantly false lie made up by the Republicans is both pathetic and dramatically underscores the lengths that some outlets will go to.

Moving on, though. In other "good" news,

DHS Just Finally Recognized White Nationalism as a Major Terror Threat

This is both good, because they actually did it... and bad, because things have clearly gotten so bad that even under the friggin' Trump Administration, they're not really able to ignore it anymore, despite that it's been dramatically more of a terror threat causer than Islamic terrorism for so long already.

Also... Pentagon is last holdout as Stephen Miller tries to slash number of refugees allowed in U.S.
The Pentagon is fighting against proposals by White House officials to drastically cut the number of refugees allowed into the U.S., and has called for reserving visas for Iraqis who risked their lives working for U.S. troops, according to five people familiar with the plan.
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It's good that they're holding out, but... Republicans have already repeatedly made it perfectly clear that saving American lives at extreme risk to one's own and with a promise from the military is not really grounds, in their minds, for the US to actually help a person, even before Stephen Miller and Trump had gained positions of power.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I want to express my gratitude to America’s magnificent @FLOTUS for tonight’s exquisite evening where we celebrated more than a century of loyal and devoted friendship between USA and Australia Both of our nations are blessed by uncommon courage, unfailing commitment, and unyielding character!
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As an Australian, I have a greeting in return: **** off, you insane old oxygen-thief.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, want to stay as far away as possible from the Joe Biden demand that the Ukrainian Government fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son, or they won’t get a very large amount of U.S. money, so they fabricate a.....

....story about me and a perfectly fine and routine conversation I had with the new President of the Ukraine. Nothing was said that was in any way wrong, but Biden’s demand, on the other hand, was a complete and total disaster. The Fake News knows this but doesn’t want to report!
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Utter bull ****.
 
Norman Alexander said:
And ScoMo is almost dumb enough to give it to him.
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Hmmm, maybe Trump is still on about this: Trump's bid for Sydney casino 30 years ago rejected due to 'mafia connections’

The Guardian said:
A bid by Donald Trump to build Sydney’s first casino was rejected 30 years ago after police expressed concerns about his links to the mafia.

News Corp revealed on Wednesday morning minutes of the New South Wales cabinet that show police had warned the state government against approving a 1986-87 bid by a Trump consortium to build and operate a casino in Darling Harbour.
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Trump Tweets

“The pretend Ukraine scandal is an another malicious seditious effort to protect the Obama/Clinton gang. Criminal classified leaks and spying targeting Trump — again.” @TomFitton

“It appears that an American spy in one of our intelligence agencies may have been spying on our own president. The complaint suggests that this intel agent was listening in on Trump’s conversation....

....with a foreign leader. Was this person officially asked to listen to the conversation or was he or she secretly listening in?” @GreggJarrett

“They’re trying to turn what was a Biden scandal into a Trump scandal.” @PeterSchweizer The problem is, “Trump” did nothing wrong!
 
Just two days ago, Trump claimed he knew these conversations were "heavily populated" and thus would never say anything inappropriate in them.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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“The pretend Ukraine scandal is an another malicious seditious effort to protect the Obama/Clinton gang. Criminal classified leaks and spying targeting Trump — again.” @TomFitton

“It appears that an American spy in one of our intelligence agencies may have been spying on our own president. The complaint suggests that this intel agent was listening in on Trump’s conversation....

....with a foreign leader. Was this person officially asked to listen to the conversation or was he or she secretly listening in?” @GreggJarrett

“They’re trying to turn what was a Biden scandal into a Trump scandal.” @PeterSchweizer The problem is, “Trump” did nothing wrong!
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So now the whistle blower was really a spy? :rolleyes:

I wonder if this is one of those spies listening in to Ukraine and caught Trump while they were at it?

Trump nods off during security briefings, maybe he missed the memo? :sdl:
 
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llwyd said:
Well, a lot of things in a democracy are fundamentally based on convention, on a kind of a common trust that "that sort of thing cannot be done". Obviously there are laws and courts, checks and balances, but they too are surprisingly largely based on convention too. "If the president does this, the Congress and the courts will prevent him." But what if they don't - the laws still exist, but they are not enforced. This is what is currently happening in many Western states, not just the US. Scary times. And, yes, the fundamental problem is not Trump but the fact that he got elected and is still blindly supported by over 40% of the voters and one of the two major parties. That is simply terrifying.
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The Romans had a term for this...Mos Maiorum...customs and way of doing things that although not written down had almost the force of law. Things that people, in politics in particular...simply did ..or did not do.
It begun to break down citca 100BC...and the Republic did not last long after that.
And for the same reason...some political factions were willing to anything to gain and maintian power.

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Saudi is saying they will retaliate against Iran for the refinety attacks.
And, of course, if Saudi follows through Iran will retailiate, almost certainly against Saudi Military facilties, and they won't be in a mood to distnigush between Saudi and US Personnel.
Donnie might finally get us into a war.\
Me, I put Iran and Saudi on the same level. We should keep out if and Let Them Fight.
I certainly don't want US Troops dying to protect a murderous regime like Saudi. Not that Iran is any better..it's not, it is just smart enough to use proxies like Hezbolah to do it's dirty work..but dammit, I hope there are some loud objections to this move by Donnie.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

“The pretend Ukraine scandal is an another malicious seditious effort to protect the Obama/Clinton gang. Criminal classified leaks and spying targeting Trump — again.” @TomFitton

“It appears that an American spy in one of our intelligence agencies may have been spying on our own president. The complaint suggests that this intel agent was listening in on Trump’s conversation....

....with a foreign leader. Was this person officially asked to listen to the conversation or was he or she secretly listening in?” @GreggJarrett

“They’re trying to turn what was a Biden scandal into a Trump scandal.” @PeterSchweizer The problem is, “Trump” did nothing wrong!
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“The break-in at the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters at the Watergate Hotel raises some troubling questions about just what it is that the Democrats are hiding there.” @KevinMKruse
 
dudalb said:
Saudi is saying they will retaliate against Iran for the refinety attacks.
And, of course, if Saudi follows through Iran will retailiate, almost certainly against Saudi Military facilties, and they won't be in a mood to distnigush between Saudi and US Personnel.
Donnie might finally get us into a war.\
Me, I put Iran and Saudi on the same level. We should keep out if and Let Them Fight.
I certainly don't want US Troops dying to protect a murderous regime like Saudi. Not that Iran is any better..it's not, it is just smart enough to use proxies like Hezbolah to do it's dirty work..but dammit, I hope there are some loud objections to this move by Donnie.
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That's why Trump sent more US troops to SA. Tripwire.
 
WilliamSeger said:
As someone who came of age in the 60s, I believe that the primary motivation for the cultural revolution that happened then was wide-spread recognition that the existing culture was so far different from what we were taught in school and shown on TV -- segregation and the Vietnam war being just two examples. In my more optimistic moments, I am hopeful that we are seeing the beginning of a second cultural revolution in today's youth, perhaps not as dramatic but one that will save us from our current self-destructive trajectory. At the very least, I am hopeful that they will save us from the Party of Trump in 2020.
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This time we're not drafting tens of thousands of young men who are dying at the rate of 100 per week in an obscure war being fought for seemingly no reason whatsoever. There are still some good reasons for young people to vote, but no one thing to energize a whole generation.
 
Trebuchet said:
That's why Trump sent more US troops to SA. Tripwire.
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Agree they are tripwires, though I am not sure it was intentional on Donnie's part. He has a habit of talking big and macho but then drawing back from actual Military action, but sooner or later he is going to miscalculate, and this might be it. I think Trump likes to talk the talk, but then not walk the walk, but maybe this time he messed up.
 
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