Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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Britain should look deep into its own history and learn a lesson on how to get out from under unwanted outside control.

I'm sure if Boris Johnson would would wear nothing but a tunic and go on a hunger strike, the EU would drop the whole Backstop issue.
 
You missed the highlighted part. Bet 100k and find that we leave without a deal after Nov 1st (or with a crap deal that damages your business) and you lose the bet as well as suffering the damage to your business the bet is supposed to mitigate.

It seems that any deal we would agree at this stage would definitely require an extension in order to get it agreed and ratified. Boris seems to have nailed himself to a cross on that one so not sure he would willingly go down that route.

Unless he has a 'cunning plan' that allows him not to ask for an extension while legally obligated to do so then he seems stuck. You do wonder what kind of hols his backers have over him if he is willing to steamroller through some kind of no deal at the cost of becoming a criminal. Does he have any Epstein like tendencies? Golden showers from Russian hookers? Hanging out too much with Prince Andrew??

In other news Citibank now have come out and said that a Corbyn government would better for UK GDP than a Boris one. Which seems fairly astonishing that a multinational bank consider a lefty Labour PM more business friendly than an Eton, Oxford, Tory toff.
 
https://www.ft.com/content/7517abfa-d638-11e9-8367-807ebd53ab77

Paywalled, this quoted from it on another forum:

FT -
Boris Johnson plans to force through Brexit deal in 10-day blitz

Boris Johnson is planning to force a new Brexit deal through parliament in just 10 days — including holding late-night and weekend sittings — in a further sign of Downing Street’s determination to negotiate an orderly exit from the EU.
The UK is even “considering” keeping Northern Ireland aligned with future EU rule changes, according to the note. Diplomats cautioned, however, that important points remained unresolved, and that this would be only part of the solution for avoiding a hard Irish border.

Britain has also yet to make written proposals and EU officials are worried about the lack of time left to secure any new agreement before the UK’s scheduled departure date of October 31.

On Monday, Mr Johnson will travel to Luxembourg to meet European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker to discuss the prospects for a deal — their first meeting since the Tory leader entered Downing Street in July. Meanwhile Tory chief whip Mark Spencer has told hardline Eurosceptic rebels they will be thrown out of the party if they reject any deal Mr Johnson negotiates in Brussels.
At the same time Mr Johnson is trying to charm some hardliners, inviting Eurosceptic MPs to Chequers, his country retreat, for drinks on Friday night. One MP appeared resigned to backing Mr Johnson if he secured a compromise deal: “He hasn’t really got anywhere else to go. Let’s see what he gets in Brussels.”

Nikki da Costa, the prime minister’s head of legislative affairs, has told colleagues she is confident that if a deal emerges from the next European Council, it could be passed into law before October 31.

“Nikki has told us she has a plan to pass a Brexit deal in 10 days flat,” said one senior government official. “Parliament might be sitting every day and night, including the weekend, but she is confident we can leave on October 31 with a deal.”

“It is technically possible to get the necessary legislation through in around 10 days — we have just seen MPs pass a bill in one day in the Commons,” said Maddy Thimont Jack, from the Institute for Government think-tank. She added, however, that “rushing it through in this way means little time for proper scrutiny”.

At their meeting on Monday, Mr Juncker is expected to push Mr Johnson to come forward with a detailed Brexit proposal, warning that time is short and that any solution must protect the all-Ireland economy and the EU’s single market.
 
If you read all the letters in the top row of answers to the Guardian crossword yesterday, followed by all the letters in the bottom row, you could see that they spelt out "Bollocks to Brexit".
 
Here's a radical idea, recall Parliament now and there will be plenty of time to ensure the agreement gets scrutinised and passed before 31st October!

You can't do that. Parliament has been prorogued for the completely legitimate reason of *mumble mumble* and there's simply no choice but to try to rush it though.

If "rush it through" is really the appropriate phrase to use WRT something that's been going on for 3 years now.
 
Here's a radical idea, recall Parliament now and there will be plenty of time to ensure the agreement gets scrutinised and passed before 31st October!

Of course that's exactly what Boris Johnson doesn't want, Parliament to have time to examine (and criticise) whatever deal he is able to bring back from Brussels.

Instead he wants everything to be done in an desperate rush so all kinds of things slip through the net.
 
You can't do that. Parliament has been prorogued for the completely legitimate reason of *mumble mumble* and there's simply no choice but to try to rush it though.

If "rush it through" is really the appropriate phrase to use WRT something that's been going on for 3 years now.

The courts have ruled that Parliament is not and has never been prorogued. It just needs the speaker to go back and take his seat and get on with it.
 
Instead he wants everything to be done in an desperate rush so all kinds of things slip through the net.

Yes, I think it's blackmail - a case of "if you don't agree to this deal, then no deal is what will happen". Some MPs have said that they'll vote for whatever deal Johnson brings to the table, and I've seen talk that he might have enough support to get absolutely any deal through, although it would be tight.
 
The courts have ruled that Parliament is not and has never been prorogued. It just needs the speaker to go back and take his seat and get on with it.

Not quite. It's all a lot more untested than that. That's why everybody is waiting for the UK Supreme Court to decide on Tuesday.

If you were right and all it needed was for Bercow to take his seat again, then why do you suppose he hasn't done so? He's anti-Brexit, vehemently anti-prorogue, he's already announced his retirement, and it's already been said that the Tories are going to block his peerage. It's what he wants and there are no political or professional consequences he could possibly suffer from it. So why hasn't he done so?

The simple answer would seem to be "because it wouldn't be legal".

Note that the Scottish verdict didn't contain an order for parliament to get back in session. What was reported on Brexitcast being referred to experts in such matters, is that implicit in the Scottish ruling is that the UK Supreme Court will have to make the final determination.
 
Yes, I think it's blackmail - a case of "if you don't agree to this deal, then no deal is what will happen". Some MPs have said that they'll vote for whatever deal Johnson brings to the table, and I've seen talk that he might have enough support to get absolutely any deal through, although it would be tight.

Exactly the sort of thing that Brexiteers told us that the EU was doing - hence the democratic deficit. The key difference being that the EU weren't doing it.
 
I have a problem with the EUs behavior. There have been very few cases where I have produced a good product under deadline that I couldn't improve with a six month delay. The EU's insistence that it was the best deal and they couldn't have spent this time making it better is risible.
 
I have a problem with the EUs behavior. There have been very few cases where I have produced a good product under deadline that I couldn't improve with a six month delay. The EU's insistence that it was the best deal and they couldn't have spent this time making it better is risible.

Where did you get the idea it was the EU's job to come up with a better deal for the UK? Their primary concern is the 27 countries that aren't leaving. The UK government can't even agree amongst themselves what they want/are prepared to accept, the blame for the failure to come to a deal rests in London, not Brussels.
 
Where did you get the idea it was the EU's job to come up with a better deal for the UK? Their primary concern is the 27 countries that aren't leaving. The UK government can't even agree amongst themselves what they want/are prepared to accept, the blame for the failure to come to a deal rests in London, not Brussels.

You assumed it would be for purposes of making a better deal for the UK. It would be six months to make a better deal for themselves.
 
Yes, I think it's blackmail - a case of "if you don't agree to this deal, then no deal is what will happen". Some MPs have said that they'll vote for whatever deal Johnson brings to the table, and I've seen talk that he might have enough support to get absolutely any deal through, although it would be tight.

Yeah but that's probably coming from the same people who thought prorogation and calling for an election was a brilliant plan by Johnson/Cummings. Johnson cannot legally make no deal an option, Parliament has taken that off the table. Not to say a no deal is impossible but Johnson can't use it as a threat anymore without inviting legal sanctions.
 
You assumed it would be for purposes of making a better deal for the UK. It would be six months to make a better deal for themselves.

They did. The UK rejected that. Given that what the UK wants according to Johnson is totally ridiculous it's now about damage control for the EU.
And unlike the UK, the EU has actually been preparing for this, so while it will be a bit unpleasant, it's not going to be that big a deal.
Especially as many firms based in the UK are moving over, mitigating the damage in the EU.
 
You assumed it would be for purposes of making a better deal for the UK. It would be six months to make a better deal for themselves.

The deal is as good as it gets without abandoning the 'four freedoms'. Again the issue is in London not Brussels.
 
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