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Removed from 9/11 Truth Movement FB Group

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Thought y'all would get a kick out of this... me being kicked off the/a 9/11 Truth Movement Facebook group because of uttering... the truth, namely that the first plane hit the WTC BEFORE the explosions on lower levels.

That's in disagreement with the tale of William Rodriguez, as advertised by James Corbett in his latest "9/11 Whistleblowers" video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irNqB5N0o30
Multiple times we hear the myth of explosions before plane. (at 12:33, for example) I sent James an email, but I guess there's no recourse for me at Kevin Ryan's closed FB group. (That is not to say he personally banned me. He has moderators.)

I commented on the video and at FB:

Other witnesses and an audio recording help to put the story together. The plane did in fact hit first. The explosions that followed 9 seconds later (as recorded by Ginny Carr on audio) are painstakingly discussed in my book and in my video. http://www.911conspiracy.tv/pdf/9-11_Debris_An_Investigation_of_Ground_Zero_by_Matt_Nelson.pdf (see "9 Seconds") and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFjFfdYPHtQ (see Kenneth Summers at 22:40 for example). Other witnesses were confused about which came first, the explosions or the plane, so be sure to watch the witness across West St. at 6:51...
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A couple hours later I noticed I couldn't view my post... or see if it was still pending review.

Sorry, this content isn't available right now

The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in.
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Willy felt the plane hit below (not an explosion) because the vibrations traveled through the steel at 5,000+ meters per second. A seismic event was recorded lasting 12 seconds.

I'm sure this topic has been discussed elsewhere. Instead of rehashing the basement/lobby explosions topic, we could probably link to other threads.

If you have a general comment on my book (260+ pages, 68MB PDF) "9/11 Debris: An Investigation of Ground Zero," there's already a thread for that: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284475

So, heads up. Now thousands more people think bombs went off before the plane hit. I'll try my best to shoot down the myth.
 
MattNelson said:
That's in disagreement with the tale of William Rodriguez, as advertised by James Corbett in his latest "9/11 Whistleblowers" video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irNqB5N0o30
Multiple times we hear the myth of explosions before plane.
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Willie got it right way back when on the first anniversary, when he was interviewed on CNN:

Willie Rodriguez said:
And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance.
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BTW, back in the day (like around 2006) there were badges at JREF for people who had been banned from the Loose Change Forum. Ironically, I never got one, because I had already been suspended when they started banning people.:D
 
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MattNelson said:
Thought y'all would get a kick out of this... me being kicked off the/a 9/11 Truth Movement Facebook group because of uttering... the truth, ....
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Welcome to the Club. I moved into FaceBook posting about three years back as a challenge by a truther engineer who wanted a real engineer to debate WTC collapses. (An ISF colleague asked me to come. Silly me accepted the challenge. I've forgiven him.. but I'll preserve his anonymity.) So I joined the group, posted a bit of my CV for the job and the truther engineer disappeared over the horizon - no longer active. I should have left the scene ... but....:o

Recently 3 or 4 of us had the same FaceBook experience of being banned fro truther "echo box groups". The sort of hiding places where nearly all the still active truthers hang out. So I've been banned twice... so far.

On the first occasion by invite of a Truther Admin who - read this TWICE - wanted serious and honest debate in his Group and needed some knowledgeable types. He got three - a WTC collapse specialist, a highly qualified general science researcher and one of the most knowledgeable persons on the ME political history build up to 9/11.

Then a civil war broke out - treasonous revolution against the Admin who wanted to be honest. (Sort of... :) )

The second examples - more recently - was less dramatic.

In both cases I went by invite .. and departed by being banned in a purge following a "palace revolution".
 
Rodriguez no longer believes any of that crap. Before I came here I used to post on the Screw Loose Change blogspot comments and Willie showed up to apologize and set the record straight about how he bought into a pack of lies thinking it would do some good.

He's a good guy. Here's a sample:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/05/screw-loose-change-to-host-debate.html

Make sure to read the comments because they're hilarious.

Back in 2007 Willie was condemned by the "No Planes" crowd as a Government plant because of his work with *GASP* James Randi:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-planers-go-after-willie-rodriguez.html

Anyway, Willie now lives in the real world today. Truthers who quote him are morons.
 
MattNelson said:
Thought y'all would get a kick out of this... me being kicked off the/a 9/11 Truth Movement Facebook group because of uttering... the truth, namely that the first plane hit the WTC BEFORE the explosions on lower levels.
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I sent James an email, but I guess there's no recourse for me at Kevin Ryan's closed FB group. (That is not to say he personally banned me. He has moderators.)
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Which "the/a 9/11 Truth Movement" Facebook group was this, exactly? I have been monitoring most of the large 9/11 Truth-themed FB groups, often from the outside, for some years now, though I am banned from some of the largest, including two groups both named "The 9/11 Truth Movement":
One run by "KenDoc", which has around 39,000 members today
One run by B. Rogers, which has around 7,350 members

I didn't know there's a group that can legitimately be called "Kevin Ryan's group".

Who is James?
 
MattNelson said:
Thought y'all would get a kick out of this... me being kicked off the/a 9/11 Truth Movement Facebook group because of uttering... the truth, namely that the first plane hit the WTC BEFORE the explosions on lower levels.

That's in disagreement with the tale of William Rodriguez, as advertised by James Corbett in his latest "9/11 Whistleblowers" video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irNqB5N0o30
Multiple times we hear the myth of explosions before plane. (at 12:33, for example) I sent James an email, but I guess there's no recourse for me at Kevin Ryan's closed FB group. (That is not to say he personally banned me. He has moderators.)

I commented on the video and at FB:



A couple hours later I noticed I couldn't view my post... or see if it was still pending review.



Willy felt the plane hit below (not an explosion) because the vibrations traveled through the steel at 5,000+ meters per second. A seismic event was recorded lasting 12 seconds.

I'm sure this topic has been discussed elsewhere. Instead of rehashing the basement/lobby explosions topic, we could probably link to other threads.

If you have a general comment on my book (260+ pages, 68MB PDF) "9/11 Debris: An Investigation of Ground Zero," there's already a thread for that: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284475

So, heads up. Now thousands more people think bombs went off before the plane hit. I'll try my best to shoot down the myth.
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Because sound and light and perhaps mechanical energy travel through different mediums at different speeds it is quite hard to figure out whether the explosions in the sub basement were simultaneous with the plane strike. I am thinking they were... and what happened was that the plane parts going through the tower severed the high voltage risers and plumbing risers too.... this caused a short and the short caused the circuit protection for the risers in the sub basement to explode. The time delay would have been essentially 0 as electricity travels at the speed of light and sound travels at less that 1200' / sec.

This short may also have caused shorts and explosions in the Con Ed substation. Recall that there were "explosions" reported at around the time of the AA11 plane strike in 7 wtc and people thinking it was a terrorist bomb evacuated the building. When Jennings and Hess arrived the building was virtually empty of people.
 
JSanderO said:
Because sound and light and perhaps mechanical energy travel through different mediums at different speeds it is quite hard to figure out whether the explosions in the sub basement were simultaneous with the plane strike. I am thinking they were... and what happened was that the plane parts going through the tower severed the high voltage risers and plumbing risers too.... this caused a short and the short caused the circuit protection for the risers in the sub basement to explode. The time delay would have been essentially 0 as electricity travels at the speed of light and sound travels at less that 1200' / sec.

This short may also have caused shorts and explosions in the Con Ed substation. Recall that there were "explosions" reported at around the time of the AA11 plane strike in 7 wtc and people thinking it was a terrorist bomb evacuated the building. When Jennings and Hess arrived the building was virtually empty of people.
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Just a small technical glitch; I don't think electricity travels at the speed of light. Close, but not quite. Does't really detract from your point, though...but thought I'd get it in before any pedantic "but wait, that's not right" crap starts :)
 
From what vantage point were witnesses able to hear the noise "before" the plane crash in the first place?

Just one of the many irrelevant info in the days and months following 9/11.

Hell, Bush thought he saw the plane hit one of the towers, something he didn't really witness.
 
Hellbound said:
Just a small technical glitch; I don't think electricity travels at the speed of light. Close, but not quite. Does't really detract from your point, though...but thought I'd get it in before any pedantic "but wait, that's not right" crap starts :)
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There are a lot of factors, but roughly speaking, electricity travels about 90% or so the speed of light. Still WAY faster than sound though!

And I never quite understood the fascination with "architects and engineers for 9/11" truth or whatever it's called. Architects? Sure. CIVIL Engineers? Maybe. But I'm an EE and I have no more expertise in buildings falling than Joe the Plumber.
 
Oystein said:
Which "the/a 9/11 Truth Movement" Facebook group was this, exactly? I have been monitoring most of the large 9/11 Truth-themed FB groups, often from the outside, for some years now, though I am banned from some of the largest, including two groups both named "The 9/11 Truth Movement":
One run by "KenDoc", which has around 39,000 members today
One run by B. Rogers, which has around 7,350 members

I didn't know there's a group that can legitimately be called "Kevin Ryan's group".

Who is James?
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I have seen KenDoc there as an admin, but I believe there's another admin. Probably that group. I don't think the group is even visible until you are in it. Once inside, you can't "share" anything outside the group. Kevin Ryan posted often.

James Corbett.
 
MattNelson said:
I have seen KenDoc there as an admin, but I believe there's another admin. Probably that group. I don't think the group is even visible until you are in it. Once inside, you can't "share" anything outside the group. Kevin Ryan posted often.

James Corbett.
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Consider yourself fortunate and move on, never to return. Those of us that propose the event, without CD's, drone planes, missiles etc. unfortunately won't convince the hard core, maybe influence the fence sitters.
 
MattNelson said:
I have seen KenDoc there as an admin, but I believe there's another admin. Probably that group. I don't think the group is even visible until you are in it. Once inside, you can't "share" anything outside the group. Kevin Ryan posted often.

James Corbett.
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KenDoc is probably Admin in more than one group.
What you describe is a secret group - which I would not be able to monitor. What I monitor are either public or closed groups. On a closed group, if you are not a member you can't see any contents (and if members share content, non-members will find the shared content "unavailable"), but I can see the name, a minimum bit of history, the Admins, and how members the group has.

Do you perhaps still have a URL somewhere? Perhaps to a page that you no longer can open - but the URL is still there? Perhaps that URL contains some identifier that I can use.
 
It is common for groups that have woo beliefs (911 truth, physic powers, religion) to ban anyone who does not agree with them. Sometimes it takes a little while. Then they work out they are losing the debate and start issuing bans and removing posts.
 
Oystein said:
KenDoc is probably Admin in more than one group.
What you describe is a secret group - which I would not be able to monitor. What I monitor are either public or closed groups. On a closed group, if you are not a member you can't see any contents (and if members share content, non-members will find the shared content "unavailable"), but I can see the name, a minimum bit of history, the Admins, and how members the group has.

Do you perhaps still have a URL somewhere? Perhaps to a page that you no longer can open - but the URL is still there? Perhaps that URL contains some identifier that I can use.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204686781/
 
rjh01 said:
It is common for groups that have woo beliefs (911 truth, physic powers, religion) to ban anyone who does not agree with them. Sometimes it takes a little while. Then they work out they are losing the debate and start issuing bans and removing posts.
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Yeah, a couple of years ago I made a comment on AE 9/11 Truth Facebook page, and I was banned from posting comments within the hour.
 
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