The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[Stacyhs]

That's fair enough but the ECHR did not uphold Knox' complaint in this.

The onus was on her to provide the evidence but she did not. Had she reported it at the time or within a reasonable time frame, she would have had evidence she made a complaint but she never did.

She was a prisoner remanded in custody and AIUI an HIV test was routinely given to all prisoners as part of the prison healthcare service and support.

The ECHR made no comment or decision whatsoever about the HIV test.

I know this is a long shot, but here goes: Do you have any evidence that "HIV test was routinely given to all prisoners as part of the prison healthcare service and support"? Nigel Scott, in his linked article, cites the official policy regarding HIV testing which said an HIV test could only be administered with the consent of the prisoner. Knox never gave consent.

 

[Stacyhs]

Oh please. WTBH heard was written by Linda Kulman (_sp?) imagining what she would have felt as a normal person had it been her in prison 'for a crime I didn't commit and falsely told I had HIV as victimisation which the evil doctor then leaked to the press'.

It bears little relation to the truth wrt Knox.

No, WTBH was written by Knox with help from Kulman. The rest of your post is nothing but rank speculation based on your bias. Moreover, despite your customary effort to distract from the actual subject, you claimed that Knox was trying to "destroy the reputation of the prison doctor". NOTHING Knox has ever said or written misrepresented what the doctor said to her. She wrote in her prison diary very early on that he told her she had tested positive for HIV but that more testing needed to be done in order to confirm it. That is hardly trying to destroy his reputation.
Your claim bears no relation to the truth.

 

[Stacyhs]

Hell, that wasn't unusual even in my uni days and that was decades ago!
The word "dated" for the 3 one night stands isn't even appropriate. But what always made me angry was that, if Knox had been a man, no one would have batted an eye. Pure double standard slut shaming...and largely from other women.

Stop projecting. Knox listed her sex partners of her own volition in her own private time in her own private diary. It is untrue anybody forced her to.

Stop lying. No one here, and certainly not me, has claimed Knox was "forced" to list her sex partners. Not even Knox claims that. Your habit of twisting everything became both obvious and tiresome long ago.

 

[RoseMontague]

She was a prisoner remanded in custody and AIUI an HIV test was routinely given to all prisoners as part of the prison healthcare service and support.

The ECHR made no comment or decision whatsoever about the HIV test.

I know this is a long shot, but here goes: Do you have any evidence that "HIV test was routinely given to all prisoners as part of the prison healthcare service and support"? Nigel Scott, in his linked article, cites the official policy regarding HIV testing which said an HIV test could only be administered with the consent of the prisoner. Knox never gave consent.

Good luck with that. I'm guessing AIUI means that somebody made it up and since it supports a certain view of the case, it must be true.

 

[Vixen]

This the same "private diary" that was leaked to the press? I suppose she leaked this of her "own volition" as well? Or is that just another Free Rudy theory?

Rose I think you'll find the leaks were by the defence. Sollecito and his father released the confidential and highly sensitive autopsy pictures to Italian TV.

You cannot possibly know who 'leaked' the prison dairy. To claim it was the prosecution is purely specious.

Bear in mind, all prisoners are made aware their correspondence is not private and letters in and out are read by a prison censor. Prisoners are also aware their cells can be searched any time and their belongings confiscated.

I am 100% certain Knox knew perfectly well prison staff and detectives were likely to read her prison diary and geared her scribblings accordingly.

 

[Vixen]

The ECHR made no comment or decision whatsoever about the HIV test.

I know this is a long shot, but here goes: Do you have any evidence that "HIV test was routinely given to all prisoners as part of the prison healthcare service and support"? Nigel Scott, in his linked article, cites the official policy regarding HIV testing which said an HIV test could only be administered with the consent of the prisoner. Knox never gave consent.

If you search the forum there are extracts on Italy's then policy towards new prisoners and HIV. As you might know, HIV then represented a big problem with large numbers of incoming prisoners infected with it because of their life style choices.

 

[Vixen]

Stop lying. No one here, and certainly not me, has claimed Knox was "forced" to list her sex partners. Not even Knox claims that. Your habit of twisting everything became both obvious and tiresome long ago.

Yes they do. It is a large part of her PR campaign.

 

[RoseMontague]

This the same "private diary" that was leaked to the press? I suppose she leaked this of her "own volition" as well? Or is that just another Free Rudy theory?

Rose I think you'll find the leaks were by the defence. Sollecito and his father released the confidential and highly sensitive autopsy pictures to Italian TV.

You cannot possibly know who 'leaked' the prison dairy. To claim it was the prosecution is purely specious.

Bear in mind, all prisoners are made aware their correspondence is not private and letters in and out are read by a prison censor. Prisoners are also aware their cells can be searched any time and their belongings confiscated.

I am 100% certain Knox knew perfectly well prison staff and detectives were likely to read her prison diary and geared her scribblings accordingly.

I never claimed the prosecution leaked it. More likely it was a corrupt prison official trying to make some money. However, I am highly certain it was not AK. That sounds like another Free Rudy theory.

 

[Bill Williams]

Rose I think you'll find the leaks were by the defence. Sollecito and his father released the confidential and highly sensitive autopsy pictures to Italian TV.

You cannot possibly know who 'leaked' the prison dairy. To claim it was the prosecution is purely specious.

Bear in mind, all prisoners are made aware their correspondence is not private and letters in and out are read by a prison censor. Prisoners are also aware their cells can be searched any time and their belongings confiscated.

I am 100% certain Knox knew perfectly well prison staff and detectives were likely to read her prison diary and geared her scribblings accordingly.

"To claim it was the prosecution is purely specious."

This - embedded with three other paragraphs where you turn your own spaciousness into, "I am 100% certain......" Let this be the guide to evaluating the objectivity of your posts. Meaning, there is none. Pure PR.

But you're still not answering what you're avoiding. How can you say the the Italian Supreme Court has no right to evaluate items of evidence, but then claim that the 2013 Supreme Court threw out the Conti-Vecchiotti report?

Like all the other stuff you avoid, I actually don't expect you to answer.

 

[RoseMontague]

If you search the forum there are extracts on Italy's then policy towards new prisoners and HIV. As you might know, HIV then represented a big problem with large numbers of incoming prisoners infected with it because of their life style choices.

I'm still looking for that Curt Knox speech you said would be easy to find, the one where you said he claimed to have spent 2 million on a PR campaign.

 

[Bill Williams]

I'm still looking for that Curt Knox speech you said would be easy to find, the one where you said he claimed to have spent 2 million on a PR campaign.

We should at least give Vixen time to go consult with Peter Quennell or Harry Rag. After all, she's a one woman PR firm for them. And she does it for free!!

 

[TomG]

Q. How did it go unnoticed, when the blood spots would have been clearly visible when the boys pished on the floor, resulting in dried urine stains showing traces of blood.

What?!

Yes dear "PISH" which is the Scots version of "piss" which of course is to urinate. I prefer "pish" rather than "piss" simply because the word has an onomatopoeic quality that gives it a certain authenticity don't you think? I'm sure you'll find the word handy while in polite conversaton, perhaps during your next knitting circle if you feel the need to relieve yourself forthwith. Anyway, it's what the rest of the boys did on Ricardo's floor. I'm sure you understand.

Hoots

 

[Stacyhs]

Good luck with that. I'm guessing AIUI means that somebody made it up and since it supports a certain view of the case, it must be true.

You're being very diplomatic with the "somebody".

 

[Stacyhs]

Rose I think you'll find the leaks were by the defence. Sollecito and his father released the confidential and highly sensitive autopsy pictures to Italian TV.

You cannot possibly know who 'leaked' the prison dairy. To claim it was the prosecution is purely specious.

Bear in mind, all prisoners are made aware their correspondence is not private and letters in and out are read by a prison censor. Prisoners are also aware their cells can be searched any time and their belongings confiscated.

I am 100% certain Knox knew perfectly well prison staff and detectives were likely to read her prison diary and geared her scribblings accordingly.

As Rose has already pointed out, she never claimed it was the prosecution. You really do need to slow down when reading to improve comprehension.

All prisoners may be aware that their belongings can be confiscated by the authorities, but what those authorities are NOT allowed to do is sell it/give it to unauthorized persons...which is exactly what happened. Knox sued, and won, a lawsuit against Fiorenza Sarzanini and Corriere della Sera for invasion of privacy after they used her diary illegally.

You can be as certain as you want, but that means zero, zip, nada. If we look at the many things you've also been "100% certain" about, it's a pretty lousy track record.

 

[Stacyhs]

If you search the forum there are extracts on Italy's then policy towards new prisoners and HIV. As you might know, HIV then represented a big problem with large numbers of incoming prisoners infected with it because of their life style choices.

Once again, you:

1. make a claim without supporting evidence,
2. are requested to provide evidence,
3. fail to provide evidence and,
4. put the onus on others to prove your point.



Once again, your avoidance of presenting evidence indicates you have none. It's a pattern. Nonetheless, I've done you work for you:

In Italy measures promoting HIV prevention and control are listed among the health objectives that must be guaranteed to the prison population. HIV tests cannot take place without the consent of the person concerned and may be recommended but not imposed on inmates who display high risk behaviors.

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-015-1301-5

From this 1992 book:

Policies vary considerably for the HIV antibody testing of all prisoners in Portugal (mandatory) and Italy (voluntary) to at risk groups...

https://books.google.com/books?id=A...ison testing HIV voluntary permission&f=false

Stop making things up and presenting them as facts.

 

[Stacyhs]

Stop lying. No one here, and certainly not me, has claimed Knox was "forced" to list her sex partners. Not even Knox claims that. Your habit of twisting everything became both obvious and tiresome long ago.

Yes they do. It is a large part of her PR campaign.

What part of the highlighted part are you not comprehending? "No one here, and certainly not me" is part of any PR campaign. Or are you now going to make a ridiculous claim that we are all being paid, 4 1/2 years after the DEFINITIVE ACQUITTAL of being paid by a dead David Marriott? I know this is pissing in the wind, but let's see you provide any evidence that we've ever said Knox was "forced" to list her sexual partners. I'd like to see you provide a quote from anyone connected to David Marriott saying Knox was forced. Some random, unidentified internet poster in a comment section doesn't count...even if you can find one.

 

[Vixen]

The ECHR made no comment or decision whatsoever about the HIV test.

I know this is a long shot, but here goes: Do you have any evidence that "HIV test was routinely given to all prisoners as part of the prison healthcare service and support"? Nigel Scott, in his linked article, cites the official policy regarding HIV testing which said an HIV test could only be administered with the consent of the prisoner. Knox never gave consent.

Hello? It rejected her Article 3 claim wholesale. She particularised the HIV issue, thus they were obliged to give a verdict.

They cannot say, 'no comment'

 

[Vixen]

No, WTBH was written by Knox with help from Kulman. The rest of your post is nothing but rank speculation based on your bias. Moreover, despite your customary effort to distract from the actual subject, you claimed that Knox was trying to "destroy the reputation of the prison doctor". NOTHING Knox has ever said or written misrepresented what the doctor said to her. She wrote in her prison diary very early on that he told her she had tested positive for HIV but that more testing needed to be done in order to confirm it. That is hardly trying to destroy his reputation.
Your claim bears no relation to the truth.

WTBH was written by Linda Kulman. If she was merely a ghostwriter she would not have been credited as the author /joint author.

 

[Vixen]

What part of the highlighted part are you not comprehending? "No one here, and certainly not me" is part of any PR campaign. Or are you now going to make a ridiculous claim that we are all being paid, 4 1/2 years after the DEFINITIVE ACQUITTAL of being paid by a dead David Marriott? I know this is pissing in the wind, but let's see you provide any evidence that we've ever said Knox was "forced" to list her sexual partners. I'd like to see you provide a quote from anyone connected to David Marriott saying Knox was forced. Some random, unidentified internet poster in a comment section doesn't count...even if you can find one.

Not only are you not familiar with the case you aren't even aware of the FOAK own soundbites.

'Forced to list her partners' is the meme designed to trigger outraged sandal-wearing GRUANIAD readers.

 

[Stacyhs]

Hello? It rejected her Article 3 claim wholesale. She particularised the HIV issue, thus they were obliged to give a verdict.

They cannot say, 'no comment'

Hello? Her Art. 3 complaint was solely concerned with her treatment during the interrogation of Nov. 5/6 and the failure of the police to investigate her claim of ill treatment. What did that have to do with the HIV test while she was in prison?