Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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Darat said:
You seem to have missed the fact that Johnson campaigned to become party leader on the bases that he could negotiate a better deal than his government's previous deal. You seem to be berating her for believing that Johnson was being truthful.
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He was being truthful. The only way to get the EU to renegotiate was to make them very sure that we would leave at the end of October, come what may. That negotiating tactic has now been fatally undermined by the Benn Bill.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
So? You have said you accept politicians lying before, like about every promise the Brexit camp made, why complain about this?
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I'm not complaining. I'm glad she's gone. It would have been even better if she'd never been in his cabinet in the first place, but she lied to obtain the position and Boris foolishly took her at her word.
 
ceptimus said:
Yes he has, but his plan has now been undermined by the Benn Bill.
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Please stop lying Ceptimus, you know full well Johnson has done nothing to negotiate with the EU, he has been too busy trying to undermine parliamentary sovereignty.
 
ceptimus said:
He was being truthful. The only way to get the EU to renegotiate was to make them very sure that we would leave at the end of October, come what may. That negotiating tactic has now been fatally undermined by the Benn Bill.
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If so, then it is obvious he would have needed to form a relationship with parliament to prevent a bill like that from passing. If he wasn't up for the job, he shouldn't have ran. Now that he knows he wasn't up for the job to stop the benn bill, he should resign.
 
Garrison said:
Please stop lying Ceptimus, you know full well Johnson has done nothing to negotiate with the EU, he has been too busy trying to undermine parliamentary sovereignty.
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Please stop accusing me of lying every time you quote one of my posts.
 
catsmate said:
Like Tonypandy that was Churchill too.
There was also 1926 with:
  • A destroyer sent to Manchester to guard unloading of food ships
  • Marines called out to remove obstructions placed on railways at Middlesborough.
  • The Grenadier Guards were deployed to protect foodstuffs at Smithfield market in London
  • More infantry, in battalion strength, guarded East End Poplar and the East India docks
  • Lorries carrying food in London were also carrying troops with bayonets fixed
  • One food convoy was guarded by fifteen RR armored cars.
  • Tanks were moved on roads in London suburbs as a show of force
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They were also deployed here;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-collapse-rain-army-met-office-a9029981.html

...but that was also completely unlike attacking and killing civilians during a protest.
 
ceptimus said:
Please stop accusing me of lying every time you quote one of my posts.
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Difficult to do so when you keep lying, but I'm sure you can prove me wrong by detailing Johnson's efforts to negotiate a new deal with the EU. Because to the uninitiated it looks like his plan was prorogue parliament, get Jeremy Corbyn to agree to an election, then crash out of the EU on the 31st in a No Deal. But as I say I'm sure you can detail all Johnson's frantic efforts to negotiate a deal.
 
Garrison said:
Difficult to do so when you keep lying, but I'm sure you can prove me wrong by detailing Johnson's efforts to negotiate a new deal with the EU. Because to the uninitiated it looks like his plan was prorogue parliament, get Jeremy Corbyn to agree to an election, then crash out of the EU on the 31st in a No Deal. But as I say I'm sure you can detail all Johnson's frantic efforts to negotiate a deal.
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Or Amber Rudd is lying....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

"Amber Rudd has quit Boris Johnson's cabinet, with an outspoken attack on the government's approach to Brexit.
The ex-work and pensions secretary said the government was having no "formal negotiations" with the EU about a new deal, only "conversations".
Instead, 80-90% of Brexit work was spent preparing for an "inferior" no-deal option, she said."

Seeing Johnson's deal, in detail and how negotiations are progressing with the EU right now, would seal who is lying.
 
ceptimus said:
Yes he has, but his plan has now been undermined by the Benn Bill.
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No he had no plan except to pretend to negotiate until time ran out. There is no deal on offer that is acceptable to his backbenchers. The EU has said the deal that is on the table is the only deal.

You do know that Boris Johnson is a serial liar, don't you? He's been lying about the EU all his adult life.
 
ceptimus said:
He was being truthful. The only way to get the EU to renegotiate was to make them very sure that we would leave at the end of October, come what may. That negotiating tactic has now been fatally undermined by the Benn Bill.
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Amber rudd has stated that there was no real effort to get a deal. Most of the effort (80-90%) was spent on the no-deal option.

Boris doesn't seem to be doing what he said he would do ie negotiate a better deal than mays' deal.
 
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If Johnson is seriously negotiating a deal right now, what is the name of the MP who is head of the UK negotiating team who is presently meeting with EU officials?
 
The Don said:
The Conservative members of Wyld Bird Seed are both "soft" Remainers (not thrilled about the EU, but reluctantly accept that it's in the UK's economic interests to stay in). That said, both would rather crash out with no deal than have Jeremy Corbyn as PM.
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It takes a special kind of crazy to think that having Corbyn as PM for just a few years (if that) is somehow worse that crashing out of the EU "forever."
 
Garrison said:
Please stop lying Ceptimus, you know full well Johnson has done nothing to negotiate with the EU, he has been too busy trying to undermine parliamentary sovereignty.
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He has not only done nothing, he never intended to do anything. The plan has included deliberately antagonizing the EU to unsure no deal was the only outcome.
 
catsmate said:
Like Tonypandy that was Churchill too.
There was also 1926 with:
  • A destroyer sent to Manchester to guard unloading of food ships
  • Marines called out to remove obstructions placed on railways at Middlesborough.
  • The Grenadier Guards were deployed to protect foodstuffs at Smithfield market in London
  • More infantry, in battalion strength, guarded East End Poplar and the East India docks
  • Lorries carrying food in London were also carrying troops with bayonets fixed
  • One food convoy was guarded by fifteen RR armored cars.
  • Tanks were moved on roads in London suburbs as a show of force
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Indeed. I think the First World War tends to overshadow British military activities in the 1920s in most people's (limited) knowledge. The lack of archiving of unit records of the period - compared to those meticulously kept for 1914-1919 - is also rather stark.
 
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