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Dominic Cummings is pulling the strings these days and he wants a no-deal Brexit come hell or high water. He doesn't care whether Boris Johnson is the shortest serving PM in history, whether he loses every vote, or even whether he becomes the only PM carted off to prison - he just wants a no-deal Brexit.

If legislation is going to be ignored then I cannot see how a no-deal can be prevented.
 
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Darat said:
You seem to have missed the fact that Johnson campaigned to become party leader on the bases that he could negotiate a better deal than his government's previous deal. You seem to be berating her for believing that Johnson was being truthful.
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To be fair to ceptimus, any MP who trusts Johnson is incredibly naive. I'd just about have given the benefit of the doubt to someone who wasn't interested in politics. But like Trumpists, not for long.
 
Yeah, let's keep up this "rules are for when I feel like following them" attitude in western leadership. I'm sure there won't be any ill consequences or loss of respect for rule of law by the masses.
 
The Don said:
Dominic Cummings is pulling the strings these days and he wants a no-deal Brexit come hell or high water. He doesn't care whether Boris Johnson is the shortest serving PM in history, whether he loses every vote, or even whether he becomes the only PM carted off to prison - he just wants a no-deal Brexit.

If legislation is going to be ignored then I cannot see how a no-deal can be prevented.
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BoJo and chums hanging from lampposts?
 
The Don said:
Dominic Cummings is pulling the strings these days and he wants a no-deal Brexit come hell or high water. He doesn't care whether Boris Johnson is the shortest serving PM in history, whether he loses every vote, or even whether he becomes the only PM carted off to prison - he just wants a no-deal Brexit.

If legislation is going to be ignored then I cannot see how a no-deal can be prevented.
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He cannot ignore legislation. He can try to, but he will be forced to by the courts.

All he can do is try to find loopholes.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
He cannot ignore legislation. He can try to, but he will be forced to by the courts.

All he can do is try to find loopholes.
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How can he be forced ?

He'll be taken to court, lose, appeal, lose, appeal again, be declared in contempt but meanwhile the 31 October deadline looms ever closer.

Heck, he could resign as Prime Minister as a ploy to ensure the UK crashes out.
 
Information Analyst said:
Nope, Scots Guards at the Siege of Sidney Street in 1911, at least.

ETA: Catsmate's memory of more "recent" events has proven more reliable than mine...
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Similar to when the SAS who went into the Iranian Embassy Siege in 1980.

Peterloo was the military breaking up a public demonstration. That is quite different.
 
The Don said:
How can he be forced ?

He'll be taken to court, lose, appeal, lose, appeal again, be declared in contempt but meanwhile the 31 October deadline looms ever closer.

Heck, he could resign as Prime Minister as a ploy to ensure the UK crashes out.
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he could only appeal on a point of law. which seems unlikely.

he could resign but then what?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
he could only appeal on a point of law. which seems unlikely.

he could resign but then what?
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Then the prime minister cannot apply for an extension, because there isn't one. The Conservative Party can then take their sweet time selecting a new leader (possibly even Boris Johnson again) in a leadership race that ends in November sometime.

Meanwhile the UK has crashed out with no deal on 31 October - mission accomplished for Dominic Cummings.
 
The Don said:
Then the prime minister cannot apply for an extension, because there isn't one.
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No, I don't think this is possible, there must always be a prime minister, even if he (or she) is leading a caretaker government.

It seems to me Boris Johnson should (with the active help of the EU) work hard (-er?) on a proper solution for the Irish border, to avoid the backstop. This may involve random checks for trucks going through (as opposed to exhaustive checking of all lorries, which would take time, create long lines and make dangerous Republicans angry), and modern technological solutions like online registration and automatic number-plate recognition, there is also the idea of mobile teams to check farmers.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
He cannot ignore legislation. He can try to, but he will be forced to by the courts.

All he can do is try to find loopholes.
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The Don said:
How can he be forced ?

He'll be taken to court, lose, appeal, lose, appeal again, be declared in contempt but meanwhile the 31 October deadline looms ever closer.
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I suspect the courts will process any appeals with rapidity, hence there is the possibility of him being arrested.

The Don said:
Heck, he could resign as Prime Minister as a ploy to ensure the UK crashes out.
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He'd remain PM until a new one is appointed.
 
The Don said:
Then the prime minister cannot apply for an extension, because there isn't one. The Conservative Party can then take their sweet time selecting a new leader (possibly even Boris Johnson again) in a leadership race that ends in November sometime.

Meanwhile the UK has crashed out with no deal on 31 October - mission accomplished for Dominic Cummings.
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They would have to appoint someone PM in the interim or risk Corbyn being appointed by the queen if they refuse to. The country doesnt just continue without a PM while the Tories pontificate
 
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Nope, Scots Guards at the Siege of Sidney Street in 1911, at least.

ETA: Catsmate's memory of more "recent" events has proven more reliable than mine...
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Like Tonypandy that was Churchill too.
There was also 1926 with:
  • A destroyer sent to Manchester to guard unloading of food ships
  • Marines called out to remove obstructions placed on railways at Middlesborough.
  • The Grenadier Guards were deployed to protect foodstuffs at Smithfield market in London
  • More infantry, in battalion strength, guarded East End Poplar and the East India docks
  • Lorries carrying food in London were also carrying troops with bayonets fixed
  • One food convoy was guarded by fifteen RR armored cars.
  • Tanks were moved on roads in London suburbs as a show of force
 
Michel H said:
No, I don't think this is possible, there must always be a prime minister, even if he (or she) is leading a caretaker government.



It seems to me Boris Johnson should (with the active help of the EU) work hard (-er?) on a proper solution for the Irish border, to avoid the backstop. This may involve random checks for trucks going through (as opposed to exhaustive checking of all lorries, which would take time, create long lines and make dangerous Republicans angry), and modern technological solutions like online registration and automatic number-plate recognition, there is also the idea of mobile teams to check farmers.
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We often have no PM.
 
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