There Will be Blood: Boston's Straight Pride Parade.

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Rollins asks high court to intervene in 'Straight Pride' parade spat (Boston 25 News, Sep. 6, 2019)

Not a shock - while the Police Association may assert that the cops were being "pelted with rocks and urine", the actual videos taken show them simply rushing into a crowd of counterprotestors and tackling, punching, pepper-spraying, and arresting people with cameras or loudspeakers, or in some cases people that were just standing there. The DA, in these cases, should by all means drop the charges. The judge is plainly overstepping his authority.

Thanks for clarifying. We're on the same page, but damned if I can figure out what book you're reading.

I say yes, and probably half, if not the majority. People tend to be full of ****.

This reminds me of people that say the KKK isn't about "hate" (it is, in reality, a once-strong terrorist organization that has fallen on hard times), or that the the Proud Boys is just a "fraternal organization" (even though they have the same initiation rituals as the average street gang and are linked to numerous violent activities).

Ever see someone wearing a cross? Do you think that means they endorse every tenet, even the most extreme, of Christianity? I don't. Many only practice out of habit, or because it benefits them in some other way, like socially. No actual connection to their 'faith'.

The key difference is that there are many varieties of Christianity that don't follow the "most extreme" versions. The belief in the ubermench, profound antisemitism, and so forth, aren't the "most extreme" form of Nazism - they're the basis for it.

Ever see someone who sports a Confederate flag tattoo? You think that means they actually want to enslave people? I know some edgy 'I'm a Rebel!' types who have one. They are not down-low wannabe slavers.

I do assume that any person with such a tattoo is strongly racist against black people, and treat them as potentially violent, actually. Anyone who thinks it just means "I'm a rebel!" has made a profound mistake, and frankly, I feel absolutely no concern for their hurt feelings when I refuse to have anything to do with them. I'm not going to risk my life just to befriend some idiot with a tattoo that basically says "I hate *******", thank you very much.

"He's just edgy!" Sure, until he pulls out a gun and shoots me in the face. No thanks, I don't need to "get to know" this fool.

 

[Checkmite]

I do assume that any person with such a tattoo is strongly racist against black people, and treat them as potentially violent, actually. Anyone who thinks it just means "I'm a rebel!" has made a profound mistake, and frankly, I feel absolutely no concern for their hurt feelings when I refuse to have anything to do with them. I'm not going to risk my life just to befriend some idiot with a tattoo that basically says "I hate *******", thank you very much.

The "Confederate flag has nothing to do with racism" talking point is frankly just another part of the larger "Lost Cause" lie. Non-racist fools trip in their rush to accept it in good faith because they want to be "fair"; but they're ultimately still fools for doing so.

There are legions of duplicitous white people who festoon themselves and their property with the Confederate flag and are openly and unapologetically racist among family and friends or even strangers who are white, but do the "heritage" thing or even pretend to completely mystified about how anybody can think the flag has anything to do with slavery when talking to non-whites or media. I've seen too many examples of this two-facedness live and in-person to be willing to suffer ignorant peoples' naivety on the issue.

 

[Wolrab]

I've only skimmed the thread, was there blood?

Some counter protesters got into it with the police after the protesters were done. We have been assured the police were totes in the wrong.

 

[Thermal]

This reminds me of people that say the KKK isn't about "hate" (it is, in reality, a once-strong terrorist organization that has fallen on hard times), or that the the Proud Boys is just a "fraternal organization" (even though they have the same initiation rituals as the average street gang and are linked to numerous violent activities).

The klan is surely a decimated domestic terrorist organization, and i doubt there is any serious argument to that. The Proud boys I thought were just an angry group of bigoted incels, but I have also heard they were more structured than I thought. My point was that while they were racist lowlifes, they weren't necessarily genocidal racist lowlifes. i would hope that actual murderous sociopathy is fairly rare. in fact, I need to take that as a given to sleep at night.

The key difference is that there are many varieties of Christianity that don't follow the "most extreme" versions. The belief in the ubermench, profound antisemitism, and so forth, aren't the "most extreme" form of Nazism - they're the basis for it.

Not versions of Christianity: just the basic beliefs themselves. I'm thinking of people with that fish on their car who identify as Christian yet don't walk the walk. They may observe the most basic tenets, but they are not in it as much as an outsider would assume. A lot of nazi types may be like this, I think. White power pussies and all that, but not actually wanting mass killings. My somewhat pedantic concern is putting the right labels on the targets. If we call all alt-righters 'nazis' and say they endorse genocide, the words lose their meaning and become hyperbolic rhetoric.

I do assume that any person with such a tattoo is strongly racist against black people, and treat them as potentially violent, actually. Anyone who thinks it just means "I'm a rebel!" has made a profound mistake, and frankly, I feel absolutely no concern for their hurt feelings when I refuse to have anything to do with them. I'm not going to risk my life just to befriend some idiot with a tattoo that basically says "I hate *******", thank you very much.

"He's just edgy!" Sure, until he pulls out a gun and shoots me in the face. No thanks, I don't need to "get to know" this fool.

Can't argue with you there. No adult can seriously claim the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. But again, I think our tattoo boy is likely a hard core racist; what I question is whether he sincerely believes in enslavement. And I doubt that. For humanity's sake, I doubt that. So I would say not to get hyperbolic with him, either. Keep the criticism at a demonstrable level, and they don't have the 'out' of saying we are exaggerating.

 

[Darat]

.. Snip.. . A lot of nazi types may be like this, I think. White power pussies and all that, but not actually wanting mass killings. My somewhat pedantic concern is putting the right labels on the targets. If we call all alt-righters 'nazis' and say they endorse genocide, the words lose their meaning and become hyperbolic rhetoric.






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This is a rewriting of your posting history in this thread that is by your own posts in reply to my posts obviously untrue.

None of my posts mentioned anything as "Nazi Types", I never called all "alt-righters" Nazis, I never put any label on any one. Yet you still objected to my characterisation of a self labeled Nazi as being someone who is a Nazi I. E. Someone who follows the ideology of Nazism.

Indeed you went even further to claim that Nazism today isn't the same ideology as it originally was, and I'll remind you that you never provided any evidence for this claimed change in the ideology.

By all means change your mind but you could just admit you have changed your mind without trying to rewrite your own history of posting.

 

[cullennz]

You did say some wannabe Nazis having a stupid parade no one will remember in a couple of weeks want to kill you tbf.

 

[Darat]

You did say some wannabe Nazis having a stupid parade no one will remember in a couple of weeks want to kill you tbf.

No I didn't. I said Nazis want to kill me.

 

[cullennz]

No I didn't. I said Nazis want to kill me.

So now you don't think these idiots are real Nazis, like me? I feel I am getting mixed messages

 

[Darat]

So now you don't think these idiots are real Nazis, like me? I feel I am getting mixed messages

That reads like you haven't read what I've been posting in this and similar threads.

 

[cullennz]

That reads like you haven't read what I've been posting in this and similar threads.

Probably

I just thought you said the parade idiots are Nazis and then that Nazis want to kill you

 

[dann]

Ever see someone who sports a Confederate flag tattoo? You think that means they actually want to enslave people? I know some edgy 'I'm a Rebel!' types who have one. They are not down-low wannabe slavers.

No, for the time being they aren't wannabe slavers. They would just like to reintroduce Jim Crow.

 

[Darat]

Probably



I just thought you said the parade idiots are Nazis and then that Nazis want to kill you

I accept that people who label themselves Nazis are Nazis.

 

[dann]

Probably

I just thought you said the parade idiots are Nazis and then that Nazis want to kill you

Don't you understand that the point of National Socialism is to exterminate Jews, Gypsies, communists, homosexuals and an awful lot of other life unworthy of life (Wikipedia)?
Some of the modern Nazi versions may focus more on exterminating Muslims than Jews, and some of them embrace homosexuals like Milo Yiannopoulos as long as they are willing to be their useful idiots. (Hitler was also quite fond of Ernst Röhm until he wasn't (Wikipedia) anymore.)

 

[cullennz]

Don't you understand that the point of National Socialism is to exterminate Jews, Gypsies, communists, homosexuals and an awful lot of other life unworthy of life (Wikipedia)?
Some of the modern Nazi versions may focus more on exterminating Muslims than Jews, and some of them embrace homosexuals like Milo Yiannopoulos as long as they are willing to be their useful idiots. (Hitler was also quite fond of Ernst Röhm until he wasn't (Wikipedia) anymore.)

Well yes I do

I doubt many on the stupid march do though

 

[cullennz]

I accept that people who label themselves Nazis are Nazis.

Oh well.

Beg to differ and all that

This lot are just wannabe scum to me

 

[Darat]

Oh well.



Beg to differ and all that



This lot are just wannabe scum to me

You don't accept that when someone calls themselves a Nazi they are a Nazi? How else do you identify a Nazi?

 

[cullennz]

You don't accept that when someone calls themselves a Nazi they are a Nazi? How else do you identify a Nazi?

Depends whether you mean name or actual thing.

If it is thing, it is when they create an actual stable political party, and then start gaining power enough to make a serious threat to running a country and then starting wars and killing multiple millions.

If you mean name, my neighbour Dave could say he is a Nazi and I would laugh in his face

 

[cullennz]

And please don't say Trump is doing it, because it would just end cred'

 

[Darat]

Depends whether you mean name or actual thing.



If it is thing, it is when they create an actual stable political party, and then start gaining power enough to make a serious threat to running a country and then starting wars and killing multiple millions.



If you mean name, my neighbour Dave could say he is a Nazi and I would laugh in his face

I mean someone who adheres to the ideology of Nazism. Can't see how you can use it any other way.

If someone tells you they are a Nazi, in other words that they follow/subscribe to the ideaology of Nazism you don't believe them?

 

[Darat]

And please don't say Trump is doing it, because it would just end cred'

What on earth has Trump got to do with whether you believe someone when they label themselves a Nazi? You have me utterly confused.