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Cont: Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p2

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Drewbot said:
NOTICE: If you are interested in how this trial will play out, and you think there are certain trial scenarios where the jury will not convict Amber Guyger. Then you are racist.

Joe Morgue has so ordained.
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You're gonna need a stronger argument then "BUT UR PLAYING DA RACE CARD!"

I like how I'm now a SJW White Knight again. I'm soon I'll be racist in another discussion any day now.
 
Drewbot said:
You're going to need a stronger argument than ACTUALLY playing the race card, to get me to stop talking about the case.
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No one is trying to get you to stop talking about the case. Mocking your arguments is still welcoming more conversation.
 
Drewbot said:
You're going to need a stronger argument than ACTUALLY playing the race card, to get me to stop talking about the case.
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Nobody can keep you from talking about the case.

This case. This one particular case. And only this one particular case.

You can't keep other people from NOTICING THAT.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Maybe because it's insane and stupid to even consider?

I get what you're doing now. You're going to demand I give you an example of this exact scenario, when my entire point is this entire scenario is so absurd that of course the law bloody never had a precedent for it.
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Removed. Was a response to a different post.
 
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Removed, what I was responding to was (honestly and I respect that) corrected.
 
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plague311 said:
Oh God, thank you so much. You guys GUYGER!!!!!!



I'll give you a pass on the blatant well poisoning, just because your argument needs all the help it can get; however, I would like to point out that you're making a completely bull **** excuse here. You're excusing Guyger's state of mind (possibly altered) because she's been awake so long, but you seem to be using Jean's against him. He's in his own house, and if he was doing any drugs at all, it would have been ******* weed, dood. Have you ever done weed? Do you know the effects of weed on the human mind? It is rarely, Rarely, RARELY, EVER violent, or able to provide quick reflexes. Your thinly veiled victim blaming is getting thinner every single second.



Let us not forget that there was also a lit up sign right next to the door with the apartment number on it, and multiple reports that there are several notifications of what floor you're on during the lengthy walk to the apartment.
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I have made nearly 100 posts in this thread. Perhaps you can point to a single one wherein I used an argument of "sleepiness" to Guygers defense.

As to "well poisoning", there was weed in the apartment. When high (if he was) it can take a little longer to react to someone shouting something like "police officer!" and to formulate and articulate a response- especially when it comes right out of the blue
 
plague311 said:
No one is trying to get you to stop talking about the case. Mocking your arguments is still welcoming more conversation.
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Well, I would direct you to this post by Joe Morgue:

I'm saying you wouldn't be making excuses if the outcome had been reversed even though every single bull **** excuse you've vomited out would apply just the same. If Guyver had been the one dead at the end of the altercation you wouldn't be obsessed with Jean's state of mind. You wouldn't been looking for a reason it was okay. Period.

We've had dozens of threads where your "Mistake of Fact" fetish would have manifested if it was honest. It didn't manifest until this one. There's a reason.

Write fan fiction about the criticism of your original fan fiction on your own time.
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The highlighted portion is directing The Racist Fan-Fiction writers, to talk about the case on their own time. Do you wish to retract?
 
Drewbot said:
Well, I would direct you to this post by Joe Morgue
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Jesus Christ get over it. A little bit of snark is not a Royal Decree. You can put away the Guy Fawkes mask and the "I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!" attitude.
 
Belz... said:
You know the rest of us can read the thread too, right?

Joe's complaining about people making excuses for her when they otherwise wouldn't, presumably because she's a cop. The racist part comes from the assumption, perhaps unfounded, that such defense would not be heard if the shooter had been a black guy and the victim a white woman, for instance.
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She has made her own excuses. The discussion is the validity of them.
 
Belz... said:
You know the rest of us can read the thread too, right?

Joe's complaining about people making excuses for her when they otherwise wouldn't, presumably because she's a cop. The racist part comes from the assumption, perhaps unfounded, that such defense would not be heard if the shooter had been a black guy and the victim a white woman, for instance.
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I would maintain, that in a city like Dallas, where there has been much coverage of the racism in the city, that if the police officer was black, and the victim was a white woman, the prosecutor might have not even charged the officer.

Ideally, we would like to come to a place where both scenarios would have the same charges brought or not brought.
 
Distracted1 said:
I have made nearly 100 posts in this thread. Perhaps you can point to a single one wherein I used an argument of "sleepiness" to Guygers defense.
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If you have never once in this thread defended the "mistake of fact", then I will absolutely apologize. I'll dig through the thread, since I've got some time today, just for S's and G's. The mistake of fact premise is based on her being tired, and having a long day at work of at least 16 hours.

Distracted1 said:
As to "well poisoning", there was weed in the apartment. When high (if he was) it can take a little longer to react to someone shouting something like "police officer!" and to formulate and articulate a response- especially when it comes right out of the blue
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He shouldn't have ******* had to respond to any commands. She also never said, "Police Officer", and this also is counter to what you're claiming. He can't have been a threat if he were stoned off his ass, and had delayed movement as you implied.

Also, per this article, I don't think her defense is going to work all that well. It was actually the Grand Jury that upgraded the charges in this case, not the DA.

Initially, then-Dallas County District Attorney Faith Johnson presented a manslaughter case to a grand jury. But jurors upgraded the charge to murder, which Johnson said indicated that they felt Guyger's actions were "knowing" or intentional.
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I would bet that there is something we're missing.
 
Drewbot said:
I would maintain, that in a city like Dallas, where there has been much coverage of the racism in the city, that if the police officer was black, and the victim was a white woman, the prosecutor might have not even charged the officer.

Ideally, we would like to come to a place where both scenarios would have the same charges brought or not brought.
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I would maintain that this is completely nonsensical and there is absolutely no evidence at all to back it up. Then again, I use logic and reason. It's not everyone's forte.
 
plague311 said:
Try logically readi....oooohhhh you almost got me.

If someone blasts into your place on a no-knock warrant (which I'd assume, without evidence, are used more on black people than white), and you shoot them thinking that they are an intruder. That person that shot the cop will go to prison or be put to death by the federal government. They don't get to use "mistake of fact". You're welcome.
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You got me curious, so I checked. Here's the first two cases that came up on my search:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/02/08/texas-man-who-killed-police-officer-during-no-knock-raid-will-not-face-murder-charge-grand-jury-refuses-to-indict/

https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/eye-on-government/texas-man-found-not-guilty-for-shooting-three-cops-during-noknock-raid-ehraX84ZEUi9Q0___1p4XA/

Both no-knocks in Texas. Both times occupant shot officers. Both walked away.

Yee hah.
 
Belz... said:
Are you seriously suggesting that no one arguing in favour of those excuses was doing anything but being devil's advocate?
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I am unaware of any posters in this thread who want her to move to their complex. In fact, Thermal and I have both been clear that she should be locked up as a murderer, even if we are not confident that she will. I think some others have a similar position as it has been roundly derided by some as "having it both ways", rather than just being honest.

Is there anyone in this thread who thinks that she should walk free of any punishment, without any reference to the local laws, just as a matter of how the world would work if they were King?
 
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Drewbot said:
I would maintain, that in a city like Dallas, where there has been much coverage of the racism in the city, that if the police officer was black, and the victim was a white woman, the prosecutor might have not even charged the officer.
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Oh, no no. That the perp is a police officer has to be removed in the hypothetical.
 
plague311 said:
If you have never once in this thread defended the "mistake of fact", then I will absolutely apologize. I'll dig through the thread, since I've got some time today, just for S's and G's. The mistake of fact premise is based on her being tired, and having a long day at work of at least 16 hours.



He shouldn't have ******* had to respond to any commands. She also never said, "Police Officer", and this also is counter to what you're claiming. He can't have been a threat if he were stoned off his ass, and had delayed movement as you implied.

Also, per this article, I don't think her defense is going to work all that well. It was actually the Grand Jury that upgraded the charges in this case, not the DA.



I would bet that there is something we're missing.
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The "mistake of fact" is based upon the reasonableness of the mistake.
Whilst being tired may be a factor- it is not a necessary one to make the argument.
 
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