Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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BobTheCoward said:
What is the reason for not wanting to have it now?
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Because the PM can set the date and could move it till after Oct 31 while parliament isn't sitting thereby gaining a no-deal Brexit by default. Nobody wants to agree to an election until the extension to the Art 50 deadline is agreed.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Because the PM can set the date and could move it till after Oct 31 while parliament isn't sitting thereby gaining a no-deal Brexit by default. Nobody wants to agree to an election until the extension to the Art 50 deadline is agreed.
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Yup and/or if the election is before 31 October, Boris could remove the Brexit Party from the mix by claiming that he would be taking the UK out on the 31st with or without a deal (but without a deal - nod, nod, wink, wink).

After October 31 he's a busted flush from the Brexit Party's perspective.
 
Gina Miller lost her case. Boris' counsel successfully argued it was a political matter, not a legal one. As the law is quiet on matters of prorogation, the case is permitted to go to the Supreme Court 17 September as whether it can set a precedent.

We don't know why Gina Miller lost, but we have an idea of what will be before the Supreme Court.

Ms Miller's team accepts Boris Johnson can ask the Queen to shut down Parliament.

But they argued an exceptional five-week prorogation was an abuse of his executive powers.

The problem in challenging that in court is that judges are there to enforce the law.

The government argues that the law is silent on how long a prorogation should be and that it doesn't help the court judge whether Parliament actually wants to sit, or what would constitute "sufficient" time for considering Brexit - or indeed whether the entire affair is simply a giant political argument that's no business of M'Lords and Ladies at all.

And that's why the case is heading to the Supreme Court.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49604584

QC Cherry's recent case in Scotland is also going to Appeal, which both would have done, anyway, whoever won.
 
Ian Osborne said:
My heart was in my mouth over that one too. Thank the FSM Corbyn saw sense.
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OK, so we don't want an election before the end of October so we can be sure that there's not a no deal Brexit, but please can we make sure we have one before November 21st so Boris can be the shortest tenure Prime Minister in history? Ta.
 
Boris told journalists in Aberdeenshire he will not seek a Brexit extension even if it's passed in law. "I will not. I don't want a delay."
 
a_unique_person said:
Boris may be planning to change the Fixed Term Election law so he can still force an early election. He only needs a simple majority to do that. Sorry, not Boris. He never plans anything. Dom would be the one planning that.
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That's a problem.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Boris told journalists in Aberdeenshire he will not seek a Brexit extension even if it's passed in law. "I will not. I don't want a delay."
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He's still entertaining the delusion that what he wants and what is going to happen bear any relation to one another, apparently he has learned nothing from the last few days.

It's amazing that a week ago so many people were sure prorogation and the offer of an election was the cunning plan that was going to allow Johnson to force through a No Deal Brexit and return to No. 10 with an unassailable majority in Parliament. All of it turned to ashes for the simple reason that Jeremy Corbyn is apparently smarter than Boris Johnson. :eek:
 
Hopefully, Johnson will finally dispel the myth that toffs from Eton make good PMs (there have been 24 of them).
 
Nessie said:
Hopefully, Johnson will finally dispel the myth that toffs from Eton make good PMs (there have been 24 of them).
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Spot the Bullingdon wankers, including two of our last 3 PMs


(1) the Hon. Edward Sebastian Grigg, the heir to Baron Altrincham of Tormarton and current chairman of Credit Suisse (UK)

(2) David Cameron

(3) Ralph Perry Robinson, a former child actor, designer, furniture-maker

(4) Ewen Fergusson, son of the British ambassador to France, Sir Ewen Fergusson and now at City law firm Herbert Smith

(5) Matthew Benson, the heir to the Earldom of Wemyss and March

(6) Sebastian James, the son of Lord Northbourne, a major landowner in Kent

(7) Jonathan Ford, the-then president of the club, a banker with Morgan Grenfell

(8) Boris Johnson, the then president of the Oxford Union, now Lord Mayor of London

9) Harry Eastwood, the investment fund consultant
 

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Garrison said:
He's still entertaining the delusion that what he wants and what is going to happen bear any relation to one another, apparently he has learned nothing from the last few days.

It's amazing that a week ago so many people were sure prorogation and the offer of an election was the cunning plan that was going to allow Johnson to force through a No Deal Brexit and return to No. 10 with an unassailable majority in Parliament. All of it turned to ashes for the simple reason that Jeremy Corbyn is apparently smarter than Boris Johnson. :eek:
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That is not a high bar to pass, though.....
 
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