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Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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Belz... said:
Is that the same as claiming to have a distant relative who was NA?
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I was thinking more of those forms that were asking for race and she checked the "Native American" box. There also appear to be instances where she claimed to be a member of the Cherokee Nation. I don't specifically recall these, but she has been in the news lately apologizing to the Cherokee Nation. I don't personally think that these transgressions are a big deal, I just think they might prove to be a liability in a face off with Trump. "Pocahontas" makes a good sound bite. The question is who would make the best candidate against Trump, I don't think it is her.
 
d4m10n said:
What blood quantum requirement would you like to see the tribes who were relocated to Indian Territory impose upon their prospective members?
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That's not how they do it, they frown on DNA tests. It's more about the historical lists and to a lesser extent participation in Tribal affairs.
 
Marcus said:
I was thinking more of those forms that were asking for race and she checked the "Native American" box. There also appear to be instances where she claimed to be a member of the Cherokee Nation. I don't specifically recall these, but she has been in the news lately apologizing to the Cherokee Nation. I don't personally think that these transgressions are a big deal, I just think they might prove to be a liability in a face off with Trump. "Pocahontas" makes a good sound bite. The question is who would make the best candidate against Trump, I don't think it is her.
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I don't believe she ever claimed to be a member of the Cherokee Nation.

I think she makes a great candidate against Trump.
 
Marcus said:
I was thinking more of those forms that were asking for race and she checked the "Native American" box. There also appear to be instances where she claimed to be a member of the Cherokee Nation. I don't specifically recall these, but she has been in the news lately apologizing to the Cherokee Nation. I don't personally think that these transgressions are a big deal, I just think they might prove to be a liability in a face off with Trump. "Pocahontas" makes a good sound bite. The question is who would make the best candidate against Trump, I don't think it is her.
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I don't think there could possibly be a candidate who would be immune from a soundbyte attack. It is one of the few things which Trump seems to be able to do effectively. So that isn't a particularly useful bar.

Bernie? Socialist!
Biden? Touchy Joe!

If the bar is that someone has to have never done anything that someone can attach a snappy name to, then we're doomed.

I personally think that the worst democrats can do is fall into this trap of obsessing over electability instead of who we're actually excited about. That's living on the defensive and it doesn't have a great track record. In my lifetime, democrats have won with charismatic candidates that people were excited about and lost when we brought out centrist choices that people were asked to hold their nose for.
 
Cavemonster said:
I don't think there could possibly be a candidate who would be immune from a soundbyte attack. It is one of the few things which Trump seems to be able to do effectively. So that isn't a particularly useful bar.

Bernie? Socialist!
Biden? Touchy Joe!

If the bar is that someone has to have never done anything that someone can attach a snappy name to, then we're doomed.

I personally think that the worst democrats can do is fall into this trap of obsessing over electability instead of who we're actually excited about. That's living on the defensive and it doesn't have a great track record. In my lifetime, democrats have won with charismatic candidates that people were excited about and lost when we brought out centrist choices that people were asked to hold their nose for.
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Agreed. Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Obama were all charismatic and people got excited about their candidacy. I voted for Hillary in the primary against Obama but only because I thought she had more experience than Obama but it was a tough decision in 2004. Personally, I was voted happily for Hillary in 2016 and I still would. I was hoping a new Kennedy or Obama would spring up for 2020, but it doesn't look like it. I don't find any of the current crop of Dems 'exciting' or charismatic, but I'd vote for a lump of coal over Trump.
 
Cavemonster said:
I don't think there could possibly be a candidate who would be immune from a soundbyte attack. It is one of the few things which Trump seems to be able to do effectively. So that isn't a particularly useful bar.

Bernie? Socialist!
Biden? Touchy Joe!

If the bar is that someone has to have never done anything that someone can attach a snappy name to, then we're doomed.

I personally think that the worst democrats can do is fall into this trap of obsessing over electability instead of who we're actually excited about. That's living on the defensive and it doesn't have a great track record. In my lifetime, democrats have won with charismatic candidates that people were excited about and lost when we brought out centrist choices that people were asked to hold their nose for.
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Ha, I thought it was "sleepy Joe". I still like Biden, although, as SG and others predicted, his support seems to be waning.
 
Response from Cherokee Nation to her apology:



"Senator Warren has reached out to us and has apologized to the tribe," Hubbard said in a statement. "We are encouraged by this dialogue and understanding that being a Cherokee Nation tribal citizen is rooted in centuries of culture and laws not through DNA tests. We are encouraged by her action and hope that the slurs and mockery of tribal citizens and Indian history and heritage will now come to an end."


https://www.npr.org/2019/02/01/690806434/warren-apologizes-to-cherokee-nation-for-dna-test
 
Stacyhs said:
Agreed. Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Obama were all charismatic and people got excited about their candidacy.
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Kennedy ran on increased defense spending on missiles and tax cuts. Look it up.

If you're looking for the charisma candidate this time around, it's probably Beto O'Rourke. Don't blink, though, because he won't be in the race much longer.
 
Brainster said:
Kennedy ran on increased defense spending on missiles and tax cuts. Look it up.

If you're looking for the charisma candidate this time around, it's probably Beto O'Rourke. Don't blink, though, because he won't be in the race much longer.
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My post was in regards to past Dem candidates with charisma who excited the voting populace. So why should I "look it up"?

And Trump has actually increased defense spending while cutting taxes, ballooning or deficit. So your point is?
 
Puppycow said:
If it's 1/64, that means you would have to go back 6 generations to find a pure-blood American Indian.
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jimbob said:
Which is consistent with her family lore.
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All fine and good but it was still stupid of her to say anything about it in a public setting other than a cocktail party.
Stacyhs said:
Warren's Native American policy is more important to Native Americans than any thing else.
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That would make them unique among people. Most folks care more about style and party affiliation than actual policy.
 
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ahhell said:
All fine and good but it was still stupid of her to say anything about it in a public setting other than a cocktail party.
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She was asked by her employer. She didn't go out and advertise it, Harvard asked if anyone had Native American ancestry (among other things), because they were trying to improve their diversity numbers. She answered, truthfully.

What should she have done? Lied about it?
 
pgwenthold said:
She was asked by her employer. She didn't go out and advertise it, Harvard asked if anyone had Native American ancestry (among other things), because they were trying to improve their diversity numbers. She answered, truthfully.

What should she have done? Lied about it?
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When filling out a form for the Texas Bar, when asked for "Race" her reply was "Native American".
 
Is this seriously the worst thing anyone can come up with on Warren? Compare to just two weeks worth of Trump madnesses! This is like the defense at Nuremberg trying to discredit a witness because she once returned a library book late!
 
It's not about which candidate is as bad as Trump (none are) it's about which candidate will have the best shot in the general.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Is this seriously the worst thing anyone can come up with on Warren? Compare to just two weeks worth of Trump madnesses! This is like the defense at Nuremberg trying to discredit a witness because she once returned a library book late!
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It is remarkably desperate. Odd thing is the same people decrying this are the same folks who would walk all over Native American rights in a heartbeat. Then suddenly they are rending their shirts over this injustice.

The real thing is: Warren mostly talked about her NA ancestry with regards to the bigotry that was faced by her Grandparents and how they had to elope because of the bigotry regarding Indian blood, even if it was 3 generations previous to the couple.
 
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