There Will be Blood: Boston's Straight Pride Parade.

[plague311]

You claim that identifying with naziism means you must endorse genocide. I think, as many do, that the majority of these neo-nazi losers stop short of that sociopathic goal. Much like an American Democrat might not endorse every part of her party's platform, even a fundamental one.

What other beliefs, outside of whitening the world, do you think they hold that are in common with Nazi's, that would draw them to that particular party? Their nationalization of industry? I mean, come on. People can be liberal for a thousand reasons, unless you can provide some prime examples of why people become Nazi's, that don't involve "cleansing", this falls flat on its face.

 

[Thermal]

You don't think a majority of neo-Nazis want genocide?

How do you think they aim to achieve a ethnic white state?

Please hear me out. Don't just scan the post looking for something to attack.

Actual Nazis were a political force, seeking a fascist state based on 'Aryan' supremacy and seeking world domination. These neo types are a social movement based on hating other groups with no significant other objectives. Yes, they coattail on Trump, and use him as a more socially acceptable rallying point. But they are just a bunch of sniveling bigots. They are not the Reich. They never will be. They are a social movement to be met at street level, not dignified as a legitimate political power. Yes, there are exceptions here and there. But the overwhelming majority are the Richard Spencers, Identity Evropas, and Proud Boys: a bunch of flaccid punks who need their asses kicked.

 

[plague311]

Don't worry, it could never backfire. We'll put someone trustworthy in charge of making that decision. Maybe AG Barr could decide who's committing political crimes.

For like the 5,000th time. We've already had a team of people in charge of making the decisions with regards to what speech is protected, and what isn't. This isn't some ****** up, new, liberal idea that's never been thought of before. Literally every. *******. developed. country. in. the. world. has. one.

Make No Law: The First Amendment podcast. Give it a listen, you might learn some cool things about how our country has gotten this far by having a team of people making those decisions.

 

[plague311]

Please hear me out. Don't just scan the post looking for something to attack.

Actual Nazis were a political force, seeking a fascist state based on 'Aryan' supremacy and seeking world domination. These neo types are a social movement based on hating other groups with no significant other objectives. Yes, they coattail on Trump, and use him as a more socially acceptable rallying point. But they are just a bunch of sniveling bigots. They are not the Reich. They never will be. They are a social movement to be met at street level, not dignified as a legitimate political power. Yes, there are exceptions here and there. But the overwhelming majority are the Richard Spencers, Identity Evropas, and Proud Boys: a bunch of flaccid punks who need their asses kicked.

You're making the argument of "they won't be able to commit genocide", not that "they don't want genocide".

 

[Thermal]

You're making the argument of "they won't be able to commit genocide", not that "they don't want genocide".

I think both. And I think a lot of people here are attributing tremendous power and malice to them, where there is far less in evidence.

They're powerless little losers, trolling everyone with their white power tripe. Why must everyone make them freaking Thanos?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

For like the 5,000th time. We've already had a team of people in charge of making the decisions with regards to what speech is protected, and what isn't. This isn't some ****** up, new, liberal idea that's never been thought of before. Literally every. *******. developed. country. in. the. world. has. one.

Make No Law: The First Amendment podcast. Give it a listen, you might learn some cool things about how our country has gotten this far by having a team of people making those decisions.

I'm aware of that podcast. It's the one where Ken White regularly documents how the government repeatedly overreached well-intentioned law to prosecute people for engaging in unpopular speech. What am I missing?

The team of people you cite regularly reaffirm the right to be a Nazi and promote Nazi politics. They can be open about it, they can march for it, they can vote for it, and demanding that the police stop them is unconstitutional.

 

[plague311]

I think both. And I think a lot of people here are attributing tremendous power and malice to them, where there is far less in evidence.

They're powerless little losers, trolling everyone with their white power tripe. Why must everyone make them freaking Thanos?

I guess I haven't seen anyone doing that in this particular thread. In fact, I've seen nothing but mockery and insult for the "parade". Look at halleyscomet correctly referring to the "parade" as the Fragile Masculinity Parade.

The views of these idiots are dangerous. We know that because a large portion of mass shooters hold these anti-immigrant, white supremacist views. They are actually doing damage, and taking life currently. This isn't some far off, unheard of idea. We just saw it happen in El Paso less than a month ago.

They don't need to be Thanos to cause pain.

 

[plague311]

I'm aware of that podcast. It's the one where Ken White regularly documents how the government repeatedly overreached well-intentioned law to prosecute people for engaging in unpopular speech. What am I missing?

Funny how you don't mention that it's that same government that either reversed those overreaches or affirmed the free speech rights of those cases. Misrepresentation in a vain attempt to make a point doesn't really help your case.

It's a podcast about how certain events have shaped our free speech through SCOTUS decisions and people fighting for their rights. That government overreach wouldn't have been changed without other parts of government.

The team of people you cite regularly reaffirm the right to be a Nazi and promote Nazi politics. They can be open about it, they can march for it, they can vote for it, and demanding that the police stop them is unconstitutional.

Nazi propaganda should be shunned and shut down because it has no place in current America. Just because you don't agree with that statement doesn't make it overreach. Plenty of countries have mass amounts of freedom and still don't allow Nazi propaganda or even display of Nazi paraphernalia. They seem to do ok, not everything is a slippery slope.

 

[Thermal]

I guess I haven't seen anyone doing that in this particular thread. In fact, I've seen nothing but mockery and insult for the "parade". Look at halleyscomet correctly referring to the "parade" as the Fragile Masculinity Parade.

Guess you missed Darat and uke2se's, posts then. This page, even.

The views of these idiots are dangerous. We know that because a large portion of mass shooters hold these anti-immigrant, white supremacist views. They are actually doing damage, and taking life currently. This isn't some far off, unheard of idea. We just saw it happen in El Paso less than a month ago.

They don't need to be Thanos to cause pain.

Agreed, they can be hella deadly. But are you assuming that this neo tripe caused them to become murderers? And are you suggesting that bashing nazis will, what? Fix them?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Funny how you don't mention that it's that same government that either reversed those overreaches or affirmed the free speech rights of those cases. Misrepresentation in a vain attempt to make a point doesn't really help your case.

It's a podcast about how certain events have shaped our free speech through SCOTUS decisions and people fighting for their rights. That government overreach wouldn't have been changed without other parts of government.

I guess all those people who suffered until the law was corrected were just grist for the mill.

There is a general trend on that program of showing laws meant to give government power to quell unpopular speech are often used to commit injustice. The correction to most of these injustices is usually in the form of SCOTUS reaffirming the rights of citizens broad freedom of expression and limiting the power of the state. Not sure how you come to the conclusion that the arc of 1A law is bending towards criminalizing Nazism.

Nazi propaganda should be shunned and shut down because it has no place in current America. Just because you don't agree with that statement doesn't make it overreach. Plenty of countries have mass amounts of freedom and still don't allow Nazi propaganda or even display of Nazi paraphernalia. They seem to do ok, not everything is a slippery slope.

Nazis should be shunned by every moral individual in the world. That doesn't mean I will support giving the government sweeping power to police political expression. McCarthyism needs to stay a relic of the past.

 

[plague311]

Guess you missed Darat and uke2se's, posts then. This page, even.

Apparently so. Can you please point to the posts where they "are attributing tremendous power and malice to them"? I'm very patient.

Agreed, they can be hella deadly. But are you assuming that this neo tripe caused them to become murderers?

Yeah, I do. I think that because they specifically cite and repeat the white supremacist propaganda in their statements and their manifesto's. The hell else would it be? Or are we doing the "mental health" or "misunderstood" or "lone wolf" thing again?

And are you suggesting that bashing nazis will, what? Fix them?

I didn't know I suggested "bashing" anyone, but it all depends on what you mean by that. If by "bashing" you mean physical violence, then no. I don't condone physical violence frequently. There are times when it has its purpose, but not now. If you mean "bashing" as in belittling them ad nauseum and laugh at them, then sure.

 

[Darat]

You claim that identifying with naziism means you must endorse genocide. I think, as many do, that the majority of these neo-nazi losers stop short of that sociopathic goal. Much like an American Democrat might not endorse every part of her party's platform, even a fundamental one.

Are you truthfully ignorant of what Nazism is?

 

[Thermal]

Are you truthfully ignorant of what Nazism is?

No. Thanks for asking.

 

[Darat]

Did the irony of your declaring that your political enemies be rounded up and put in camps slip by you?

Nazis aren't my political enemies they are people who want to kill me. I have no idea why you think I should be fine and dandy leaving extremists who want to kill me and millions of my fellow citizens to roam free.

 

[plague311]

I guess all those people who suffered until the law was corrected were just grist for the mill.

Yeah, kind of like the dead bodies of the last multiple white supremacists seem to be perfectly fine, in your opinion, because...McCarthyism?

People are suffering now because of that speech, and because we have a president that repeats it. Appeal to emotion noted.

There is a general trend on that program of showing laws meant to give government power to quell unpopular speech are often used to commit injustice. The correction to most of these injustices is usually in the form of SCOTUS reaffirming the rights of citizens broad freedom of expression and limiting the power of the state.

Right, that doesn't change my initial point at all that we have a body in the government that dictates free speech. Something you implied would be super dangerous. Thank you for finally agreeing with me.

If the SCOTUS rules that Nazi hate speech and propaganda is illegal, what would you do?

Nazis should be shunned by every moral individual in the world. That doesn't mean I will support giving the government sweeping power to police political expression. McCarthyism needs to stay a relic of the past.

LoL the McCarthyism boogeyman. I love it.

Preaching for the genocide of multiple races isn't political expression, it's hate speech.

 

[Darat]

Don't worry, it could never backfire. We'll put someone trustworthy in charge of making that decision. Maybe AG Barr could decide who's committing political crimes.

Ah the infamous slippery slope.

"Just you wait until you want to promote the killing of millions of your fellow citizens and find yourself being locked up"

I'll take the risk.

 

[Darat]

I think both. And I think a lot of people here are attributing tremendous power and malice to them, where there is far less in evidence.



They're powerless little losers, trolling everyone with their white power tripe. Why must everyone make them freaking Thanos?

Are you unaware of how Nazism gained power the last time?

 

[Thermal]

Nazis aren't my political enemies they are people who want to kill me. I have no idea why you think I should be fine and dandy leaving extremists who want to kill me and millions of my fellow citizens to roam free.

Pretty sure about that, are you? Or are you assuming that from history books? That dealt with other people in another century? Has Dickless Spencer made attempts on your life?

 

[Thermal]

Are you unaware of how Nazism gained power the last time?

It's not the last time. Therein lies the problem.

We learn from past history. We don't live in it now.

 

[Darat]

Pretty sure about that, are you? Or are you assuming that from history books? That dealt with other people in another century? Has Dickless Spencer made attempts on your life?

Nazism was and is quite clear about what it is. I have no issue at all with making a claim that Nazis want to kill me, if they didn't they wouldn't be Nazis.