Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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I guess it did not take long for Boris to realize that his bargaining position is virtually non-existent, that throwing tantrums does not actually work outside of his buddy's circle and that Brexit is a complete and total mess where there has been no plan or coherence from the start.
Combined with the fact that pies in the sky do not exist I feel that this is his way of quickly washing his hands.
 
jeremyp said:
Nobody wants a Norway style deal. Remainers don't want it because it is not as good as being a full EU member. Brexiteers don't want it because it is just like being in the EU except without any say in its future direction or rules.
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It fulfills the mandate of the referendum and the promises of the Leave campaign though.

If Leavers come out, repudiate their past selves, and say what they promised under Leave is actually worse than Bremain then they can announce they support Bremain now. That's fine, people do mistakes all the time. What we don't usually recommend is doing a mistake, finding it out, then doubling down on the mistake making it cause even more damage.

I know it's a common course of action. We still don't recommend doing so.

McHrozni
 
Best way for Boris to succeed if the rebel alliance succeed on foisting a further delay on him is to persuade one of the EU member country leaders to veto any further extension. Hungary's Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, could perhaps do it.

Any bribe paid to Hungary by the UK in return for the favour would probably have to be kept secret - or the EU might veto the veto.
 
ceptimus said:
Best way for Boris to succeed if the rebel alliance succeed on foisting a further delay on him is to persuade one of the EU member country leaders to veto any further extension. Hungary's Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, could perhaps do it.

Any bribe paid to Hungary by the UK in return for the favour would probably have to be kept secret - or the EU might veto the veto.
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Orban is a bad choice, he has enough on his plate as it is. EU is pissed at Hungary for good reason, most of his antics remain firmly internal. He knows Hungary needs the EU far, far more than EU needs Hungary. Furthermore, Orban also knows support for EU membership within Hungary is almost universal - 79% of Hungarians think the country benefitted (14% disagree, 7% don't know), some 13% think Hungary should leave the EU.

EU can't kick Hungary out but they can cut the benefits and make sure everyone knows it's thanks to Orban sabotaging the union. How do you think that will play out domestically? His support is based on suppressing the vote and maximizing wasted votes for the opposition, not by actually being popular.

McHrozni
 
ceptimus said:
Best way for Boris to succeed if the rebel alliance succeed on foisting a further delay on him is to persuade one of the EU member country leaders to veto any further extension. Hungary's Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, could perhaps do it.

Any bribe paid to Hungary by the UK in return for the favour would probably have to be kept secret - or the EU might veto the veto.
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Ah yes, restoring the primacy of the UK Parliament by first proroguing it to prevent it derailing the disastrous no-deal Brexit and then bribing another country to prevent further attempts succeeding.
 
Finally ! A group of working people who stand to gain from Brexit.

If you make or sell GB stickers, you stand to make a bundle in the near future, especially in Northern Ireland.

UK-registered cars will need to display a GB sticker in the Republic of Ireland after Brexit, the government has said.

New government advice said the sticker must be displayed in any EU country.

Motorists from the UK driving in the Republic are currently advised to display the sticker, but the rule is not widely enforced.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49558563

Perhaps the UK sticker industry will help to plug the gaps made by post-Brexit shrinkage to the financial services, manufacturing (which is currently rapidly contracting), haulage and retail sectors. :rolleyes:
 
Read this thread from Peter Foster (Europe Editor of the Daily Telegraph). https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1168641286292824064


EXC: Inside Brexit War Cabinet: - Dominic Cummings described EU negotiation as "a sham" in internal strategy meetings, per two highly placed sources. - AG Cox warned Johnson it was "complete fantasy" to think EU would bin backstop 1/thread
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ceptimus said:
Best way for Boris to succeed if the rebel alliance succeed on foisting a further delay on him is to persuade one of the EU member country leaders to veto any further extension. Hungary's Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, could perhaps do it.

Any bribe paid to Hungary by the UK in return for the favour would probably have to be kept secret - or the EU might veto the veto.
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Your English senses of superiority is showing.

You would think by now some sense would have penetrated even the densest of Brexitee brains and that the assumption that an EU member will side with the UK over the EU is delusional.
 
ceptimus said:
Best way for Boris to succeed if the rebel alliance succeed on foisting a further delay on him is to persuade one of the EU member country leaders to veto any further extension. Hungary's Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, could perhaps do it.

Any bribe paid to Hungary by the UK in return for the favour would probably have to be kept secret - or the EU might veto the veto.
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^ Delusional gibberish.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Your English senses of superiority is showing.

You would think by now some sense would have penetrated even the densest of Brexitee brains and that the assumption that an EU member will side with the UK over the EU is delusional.
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It's like the term 'in good faith' is some kind of klingon with the brexiteers.
 
erwinl said:
It's like the term 'in good faith' is some kind of klingon with the brexiteers.
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More like an ancient form of elvish that we aren't supposed to utter.
"Shal mir faiavh", according to a translator I found.

McHrozni
 
Sort of amusing, on the same day Johnson threatens MP's who vote for the Benn bill with deselection, Philip Hammond has been reselected by his local party association. Evidently they didn't get the message... :rolleyes:
 
KDLarsen said:
Sort of amusing, on the same day Johnson threatens MP's who vote for the Benn bill with deselection, Philip Hammond has been reselected by his local party association. Evidently they didn't get the message... :rolleyes:
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I was under the impression that selection/deselection was a matter for the constituency party members, not the rabble in Westminster govt./shadow govt.
 
GlennB said:
I was under the impression that selection/deselection was a matter for the constituency party members, not the rabble in Westminster govt./shadow govt.
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It used to be pretty much all done in the local party, these days the central party has more control. See: Parliamentary Assessment Board
 
GlennB said:
I was under the impression that selection/deselection was a matter for the constituency party members, not the rabble in Westminster govt./shadow govt.
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If you've been expelled from the party, you cannot stand for election as a member of the party.

Local constituency members get to choose between candidates but Westminster has the power to ensure that certain people aren't able to be considered as candidates.
 
Nessie said:
Possibly not, but that is not a food shortage, it is refusing to eat something else that is a perfectly acceptable substitute.
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That's a tad extremist; one could claim that there was no food shortages during and after the second world war given that definition.
 
KDLarsen said:
To be fair, Gove didn't exactly give a straight answer when asked if the government would respect such a vote, and Johnson today pretty much spelled out that he'd rather dissolve parliament than do so, so why should the ScumSun?

Incidently, the text of the bill is available here: https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1168560598650621953

I'm slightly curious though, I have a faint memory of reading somewhere, that even if the bill was to pass the House of Commons, it would most likely be filibustered in the House of Lords (there was even a suggestion of Johnson 'packing' the latter with Brexiteer peers, in order to stop legislation he didn't want passing). Couldn't the same thing happen again to the Benn bill?
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House of Lords is subservient to the HoC.
 
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