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Business owners at the central market in Birmingham were interviewed on the BBC today at lunch.

The fruit and veg business said he expects some shortages and price rises when we fully move to Spanish winter salad imports, which is soon.

The florist said that he expects a drop in quality and maybe price rises, due to it probably taking an extra 24 hours to import flowers.

The fishmonger said there is no expected problems as he can get all his supplies from the UK and he hopes the end to tariffs on cheap frozen fish from outside the EU will ultimately reduce prices.

What with UK warehouses reportedly already pretty much full of food, I think that any issues over food will be minor and I can manage without lettuce for a week or so.
 
Wudang said:
Please read the next sentence which is the actual point of the post. If 1% of people who voted Leave did not want a No Deal Brexit (as was assured would not happen) then the majority is gone. Simple point.
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[For some reason Ceptimus isn't replying to my posts, so I'll pop this here]

The largest estimate I've found for the percentage of Leave voters in favour of Hard Brexit is this one from YouGov in January 2017:

Theresa May sets course for a Hard Brexit - it's what 74% of Leave voters want, but only 39% of people overall
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https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/821349059361472512


Two and a half years on, and the percentage of the UK public in favour of Hard Brexit has dropped to 25%, again according to YouGov:

Only 25% of people would consider a No Deal Brexit to be a positive outcome. Twice as many (50%) would see it as a negative, and 37% as a "very bad" outcome. Even among Leave voters, only half see a No Deal conclusion as positive.
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https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic.../04/what-do-public-think-about-no-deal-brexit
 
jeremyp said:
Nobody wants a Norway style deal. Remainers don't want it because it is not as good as being a full EU member. Brexiteers don't want it because it is just like being in the EU except without any say in its future direction or rules.
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On the contrary, I think many on both sides would accept it as being so obviously better than No Deal.
 
The Don said:
Once again Jeremy Corbyn demonstrates that it's more important to him to try and become Prime Minister that it is for him to avert a no-deal Brexit.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49552403

In my opinion, unless he fails to deliver Brexit on 31 October or looks to be fudging it in advance, Boris is a nailed-on certainty in a general election if the largest opposition party continues to be led by a pro-Brexit incompetent :mad:
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So if Boris Johnson calls a General Election to be held before the 31st* Jeremy Corbyn is supposed to whip the Labour party to oppose it? What possible good could come of that? An upcoming GE forces BJ to go to the Country on a No Deal ticket (or fudge the issue, which won't win him BP support).

Corbyn will be going to the Country on a "There will be no No Deal Brexit and there will be a referendum on any deal which will include Remain as an option." Ultimately though, Blair is right, that BJ will be relying on Corbyn derangement syndrome to win him the election even though the Labour are offering what (most) Remainers say they want. Except the ******* #FBPE crowd who shift goal posts more often than ceptimus.

St Swinson of Remain** isn't going to float in and do anything - hell, she might lose her seat to the SNP (again).

*Assuming BJ doesn't then try and use Royal Prerogative to shift the election date post-October 31st after the bill has passed.

**Remind me how much campaigning she actually did for Remain the first time round? I know that Jeremy Corbyn was virtually absent and only appeared at 15 pro-remain rallies, sent 100 or so pro-remain tweets, and appeared stating the pro-remain position about 120 times in the media, during the 46 days, but oddly I can't find any record for Jo Swinson.
 
Camillus said:
So if Boris Johnson calls a General Election to be held before the 31st* Jeremy Corbyn is supposed to whip the Labour party to oppose it? What possible good could come of that? An upcoming GE forces BJ to go to the Country on a No Deal ticket (or fudge the issue, which won't win him BP support).

Corbyn will be going to the Country on a "There will be no No Deal Brexit and there will be a referendum on any deal which will include Remain as an option." Ultimately though, Blair is right, that BJ will be relying on Corbyn derangement syndrome to win him the election even though the Labour are offering what (most) Remainers say they want. Except the ******* #FBPE crowd who shift goal posts more often than ceptimus.

St Swinson of Remain** isn't going to float in and do anything - hell, she might lose her seat to the SNP (again).

*Assuming BJ doesn't then try and use Royal Prerogative to shift the election date post-October 31st after the bill has passed.

**Remind me how much campaigning she actually did for Remain the first time round? I know that Jeremy Corbyn was virtually absent and only appeared at 15 pro-remain rallies, sent 100 or so pro-remain tweets, and appeared stating the pro-remain position about 120 times in the media, during the 46 days, but oddly I can't find any record for Jo Swinson.
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The biggest issue I have with Jeremy Corbyn is that he too is pro-Brexit (albeit not no-deal but then again Corbyn's vision of Brexit is completely unrealistic) and that the Labour Party is committed to Brexit - though at the moment he is promising a second referendum, a promise that can easily evaporate.
 
Nessie said:
What with UK warehouses reportedly already pretty much full of food, I think that any issues over food will be minor and I can manage without lettuce for a week or so.
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They're not full of food.
They were all booked out well in advance for this event that happens every year in December.

It's why there's precious little warehouse space for actual food.

It's not just lettuce you'll be short of.
 
The other point to make is that, with just in time delivery now the norm, there aren't that many warehouses to be full. What supermarkets mostly have is distribution centres, which empty as fast as they fill. Very little is stored for any length of time, because it isn't economical.
 
The Don said:
The biggest issue I have with Jeremy Corbyn is that he too is pro-Brexit (albeit not no-deal but then again Corbyn's vision of Brexit is completely unrealistic) and that the Labour Party is committed to Brexit - though at the moment he is promising a second referendum, a promise that can easily evaporate.
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Corbyn may be many things but anti-Democratic he isn't. If the Labour party says it will give a referendum it will. I'm sure JC would like to produce a deal of his own and he may even cobble something together but, unless he was to win a massive majority, he would have as much success as Teresa May.

At the end of the day with Labour you get a Referendum. With the Tories you get shafted. The choice is simple.
 
Tolls said:
They're not full of food.
They were all booked out well in advance for this event that happens every year in December.

It's why there's precious little warehouse space for actual food.

It's not just lettuce you'll be short of.
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I am using hyperbole to make a point and c couple of friends whose job includes renting warehouse space for import/export would disagree with you.

Because of food stockpiling warehouse space has been at a premium all year.
 
The BBC, Guardian and Telegraph are all leading with a General Election is most likely on its way.

The SNP will be delighted!
 
Camillus said:
So if Boris Johnson calls a General Election to be held before the 31st* Jeremy Corbyn is supposed to whip the Labour party to oppose it? What possible good could come of that?
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None. BJ will delay the election until after Halloween. BJ promised we will leave on the 31st October come what may. While he can deliver that the gammons will love him. If on 1 November we are still in the EU his stock value falls. Labour want to fight a weak BJ not a strong one.
1. Push though a law change preventing a no deal brexit
2. Refuse to back a GE
3. Wait until 1 November
4. Call for a vote of no confidence.

Corbyn's ego may stop the above.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Its amazing how much the media shape a narrative that suits them regardless of whether it is true or not. They are just as culpable as the liars in the Commons and elsewhere.
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I liked the way they worked a lecture about it into Drop the Dead Donkey many years ago (the example given was "management offer, unions demand") it's true but far too rarely acknowledged in the media.
 
Nessie said:
Business owners at the central market in Birmingham were interviewed on the BBC today at lunch.

The fruit and veg business said he expects some shortages and price rises when we fully move to Spanish winter salad imports, which is soon.

The florist said that he expects a drop in quality and maybe price rises, due to it probably taking an extra 24 hours to import flowers.

The fishmonger said there is no expected problems as he can get all his supplies from the UK and he hopes the end to tariffs on cheap frozen fish from outside the EU will ultimately reduce prices.

What with UK warehouses reportedly already pretty much full of food, I think that any issues over food will be minor and I can manage without lettuce for a week or so.
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I think the fishmonger might be in for a surprise.

I think you might be too if you think it's going to be no lettuce for a week.
 
Ape of Good Hope said:
[For some reason Ceptimus isn't replying to my posts, so I'll pop this here]

The largest estimate I've found for the percentage of Leave voters in favour of Hard Brexit is this one from YouGov in January 2017:



https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/821349059361472512


Two and a half years on, and the percentage of the UK public in favour of Hard Brexit has dropped to 25%, again according to YouGov:



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic.../04/what-do-public-think-about-no-deal-brexit
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Hard Brexit didn't ever mean No Deal. No Deal was never even really on the table until now. Theresa May's deal was a Hard Brexit in that it left us outside the single market and customs union. Again it's more slobbering gammon lies that have brought us to this point.
 
Camillus said:
Corbyn may be many things but anti-Democratic he isn't. If the Labour party says it will give a referendum it will. I'm sure JC would like to produce a deal of his own and he may even cobble something together but, unless he was to win a massive majority, he would have as much success as Teresa May.

At the end of the day with Labour you get a Referendum. With the Tories you get shafted. The choice is simple.
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Labour promises tend not to be worth the hot air they are generated with. Ask those who listened to 'The Vow'

The choice in any election for Scots is very simple.
 
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