How do psychic mediums know stuff about you

[Scorpion]

Then what the **** are you even asking if you've already got all the answers with your super mental powers we don't have?

Stop starting the same topic from a different direction over and over.

You think ghosts are real. Good on you. You're wrong.

I may be repeating myself, but some people, like the OP have not heard the story. If I leave it to all you atheists you will convince them mediums only generalise without details. But this medium told me the name of my dead brother, and the circumstances of his death. These were specific facts.

 

[Myriad]

Babies can grow up in the spirit world?

How does that work? I thought the whole point of the material world is to be a sort of MMRPG (multiplayer role playing game) for spirits to experience life so they can gradually get better at it and become higher spirits. Prior to this unsuccessful attempt at a new incarnation, Lawrence would already have been through numerous earthly incarnations and as a spirit he would have complete memories of them. He'd be ready to incarnate in some other newborn. What's gained by "growing up" in the spirit world instead? What does that even mean? Did he go to spirit elementary school, play spirit sports, go through spirit puberty?

It's these little slip-ups that give the game away. There's this whole elaborate spiritualist narrative about multiple incarnations and karma and retaining the memories of multiple lifetimes in the astral body and so forth. Then some medium goes and midichlorians the whole deal. "He grew up in the spirit world," because she was talking about a baby and it sounded good.


(midichlorian, v.t.: to suddenly, for momentary convenience, introduce a plot detail that calls the fundamental basis of an established canon into question)

 

[JoeMorgue]

I may be repeating myself, but some people, like the OP have not heard the story. If I leave it to all you atheists you will convince them mediums only generalise without details. But this medium told me the name of my dead brother, and the circumstances of his death. These were specific facts.

I do not believe you. I have no reason to believe you. I have no reason to believe you even if you are being honest.

The events you are describing did not happen as you describe them either by dishonesty or misunderstanding is far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more likely then "We need to rewrite our entire view of reality to account for ghosts."

 

[Wudang]

And was he sexually and otherwise abused in the spirit world to learn these "important lessons" and to "grow"? If not then such experiences are not in fact needed for development.

 

[Scorpion]

Babies can grow up in the spirit world?

How does that work? I thought the whole point of the material world is to be a sort of MMRPG (multiplayer role playing game) for spirits to experience life so they can gradually get better at it and become higher spirits. Prior to this unsuccessful attempt at a new incarnation, Lawrence would already have been through numerous earthly incarnations and as a spirit he would have complete memories of them. He'd be ready to incarnate in some other newborn. What's gained by "growing up" in the spirit world instead? What does that even mean? Did he go to spirit elementary school, play spirit sports, go through spirit puberty?

I believe there are kindergarten schools in the spirit world where babies are looked after until they grow to maturity. Spirits do not remember their previous incarnations until the end of their cycle of reincarnations.

By this time, my brother may have chosen to reincarnate, and maybe I will never meet him when I die. I do not know because I no longer attend church, so I don't get any new messages.

 

[Pixel42]

My mother and her brother were at a family gathering years later, and the subject of the message I received came up, My uncle said to my mother "you had a baby that died in the war, I didn't know that" My mother said, "I didn't go round telling everyone"

My mother had not even told her brother, let alone strangers.

And yet there would have been people who knew, who she did tell or who found out in one of any number of different ways. And those people would have talked to other people.

Trying to guess the exact sequence of events which led to the medium being able to tell you something about your family you didn't know is virtually impossible. That does justify your assumption that the explanation could only be supernatural.

 

[Scorpion]

And was he sexually and otherwise abused in the spirit world to learn these "important lessons" and to "grow"? If not then such experiences are not in fact needed for development.

I appreciate the sarcasm, but the answer is sex is neutral in the spirit world.
We do not have physical desires in the spirit body. Sex is primarily for reproduction, and spirits do not reproduce.

 

[Pixel42]

I may be repeating myself, but some people, like the OP have not heard the story. If I leave it to all you atheists you will convince them mediums only generalise without details. But this medium told me the name of my dead brother, and the circumstances of his death. These were specific facts.

Nobody has said mediums only generalise without details. They do that a lot, but if they have specific information (obtained in any one of numerous ways) of course they will use it.

 

[Butter!]

I believe there are kindergarten schools in the spirit world where babies are looked after until they grow to maturity. .

I don't want to sound like an arse, but - seriously, dude?

That makes no sense whatsoever. My boyfriend believes in reincarnation, and I think it's sort of a fun speculative idea in its rawest form (though I wouldn't say I accept it). But this bit about growing up in the spirit world doesn't even fit with its precepts. You're making things up as you go, and anything that doesn't make sense, you handwave away with, "Oh well, spirits. They work in mysterious ways. Sometimes they grow up, sometimes they come back, it's all good. Just free your mind, consistency is overrated."

It's your business what you want to believe, but if you post it publicly for comment, you can't expect everyone to just ignore the inherent wackiness. Please let me state outright, though, that I don't want to mock your condition. I don't know how much of your certainty about your belief system derives from the schizophrenia you mentioned, so I do want to tread carefully. I guess pseudoreligious hippy-dippy mediums just really piss me off. I hate to see people swallowing their glurgy stories, for any reason. Not commenting almost causes me physical pain.

These people are ridiculous. Spirit kindergarten, honestly. What a creepy idea. Who would derive comfort from that?

 

[Wudang]

I appreciate the sarcasm, but the answer is sex is neutral in the spirit world.
We do not have physical desires in the spirit body. Sex is primarily for reproduction, and spirits do not reproduce.

You will note the "and otherwise abused" in my post. You have elsewhere claimed that suffering is to teach us lessons and help us grow and yet now you claim it's unnecessary.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I don't want to sound like an arse, but - seriously, dude?

Probably not. This smells more like an skit then anything else.

 

[Scorpion]

I don't want to sound like an arse, but - seriously, dude?

That makes no sense whatsoever. My boyfriend believes in reincarnation, and I think it's sort of a fun speculative idea in its rawest form (though I wouldn't say I accept it). But this bit about growing up in the spirit world doesn't even fit with its precepts. You're making things up as you go, and anything that doesn't make sense, you handwave away with, "Oh well, spirits. They work in mysterious ways. Sometimes they grow up, sometimes they come back, it's all good. Just free your mind, consistency is overrated."

It's your business what you want to believe, but if you post it publicly for comment, you can't expect everyone to just ignore the inherent wackiness. Please let me state outright, though, that I don't want to mock your condition. I don't know how much of your certainty about your belief system derives from the schizophrenia you mentioned, so I do want to tread carefully. I guess pseudoreligious hippy-dippy mediums just really piss me off. I hate to see people swallowing their glurgy stories, for any reason. Not commenting almost causes me physical pain.

These people are ridiculous. Spirit kindergarten, honestly. What a creepy idea. Who would derive comfort from that?

What else do you think could happen to a baby that dies? It must slowly develop mentally in the spirit world, and its body grows to the prime of life.
Old people who die grow backward to the prime of life and remain in that status.

You do not have to tread carefully with regard to my mental status. I have been through mental hell on earth and survived it.

 

[Butter!]

Is the idea that when we die our consciousness just ends really that awful? I've always found it a bit comforting.

I recall what was probably my first existential crisis. I was really young, probably 4 at the oldest, and the memory is fuzzy, but still emotionally powerful. My parents had just finished giving me what was supposed to be a comforting spiel about heaven and people living there forever after they die, and I suddenly found myself filled with a horror I couldn't even begin to articulate. I thought about what living forever truly meant. Just the idea of something going on forever, WITHOUT END, was terrifying to me. I started to cry and freak out, running around the house and refusing to go to bed. My folks honestly couldn't understand why I was scared. They still probably couldn't.

 

[Butter!]

What else do you think could happen to a baby that dies? It must slowly develop mentally in the spirit world, and its body grows to the prime of life.
Old people who die grow backward to the prime of life and remain in that status.

You do not have to tread carefully with regard to my mental status. I have been through mental hell on earth and survived it.

Well, I think a baby that dies just dies. The end. Very sad, but just the way it is. But let's go with my boyfriend's worldview for a minute, since he believes in reincarnation, and we've discussed it a number of times.

According to him, a baby that dies (or anything that dies) releases its spirit and re-joins the collective spiritual consciousness of the world. Some time later (as "time," the way we understand it, has no meaning in the spirit world), the spirit comes into something else that is being born. It could be another human baby, an animal, a plant, or whatever. It could happen instantaneously (again, from our human perspective of time), or it could happen thousands of years later. Spirits do not have "lives" and singular consciousness during that period, they are just part of a collective whole.

While there are still some obvious logical problems with this framework, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than spirit primary schools and backwards aging and whatever else you're proposing. I find your view needlessly complicated, and I almost wonder if you are joking.


ETA - At any rate, I'm glad you're feeling okay mentally now, and that you're so willing to talk about your experiences. That is valuable.

 

[Myriad]

I believe there are kindergarten schools in the spirit world where babies are looked after until they grow to maturity.

That makes no sense in the context of the overall spiritualist narrative. Are there also hospitals that cure Grampa's Alzheimers after he's passed on, so he can understand and answer the mediums who are relaying questions from their family?

If there's a spirit world elementary school, wouldn't it make more sense to attend it prior to the tricky and bad-karma-risking process of going through an incarnated lifetime?

Spirits do not remember their previous incarnations until the end of their cycle of reincarnations.

Then how do they answer questions from mediums about their previous incarnation?

Also, in the spirit world, why would they not remember their previous incarnations? I can almost see how starting a new incarnation without previous memories could be useful. Avoids spoilers, allows one to learn different ways of experiencing the world without biases from previous experiences, and so forth. You get to read Lord of the Rings for the first time again. But how are they (we) supposed to learn anything from the whole process, if they (we) keep getting mind-wiped even in the spirit world?

By this time, my brother may have chosen to reincarnate, and maybe I will never meet him when I die. I do not know because I no longer attend church, so I don't get any new messages.

Well, let's see. The war years (assuming wwII), add time for spirit infancy and spirit kindergarten, then a few years of work-study and time off to tour spirit Europe, carry the two... Lawrence could be me.

In fact, let's just say I am Lawrence, because whether I actually am or not makes absolutely no discernible difference (due to all the mind-wiping going on in this cruel and hopelessly inefficient spirit educational system) for at least several more lifetimes.

Hi, bro!

 

[Nay_Sayer]

What else do you think could happen to a baby that dies? It must slowly develop mentally in the spirit world, and its body grows to the prime of life.
Old people who die grow backward to the prime of life and remain in that status.

You do not have to tread carefully with regard to my mental status. I have been through mental hell on earth and survived it.

It decomposes, small bugs will feed on its flesh until it's only bone.

I have to be frank. What the **** are you talking about?

I have heard wild stuff before.

I've been in the bowels of a David Icke forum that I can honestly say I thought had the most far-out statements I had ever read.

I have read 2 L.R Hubbard books

Still, Your comment has me floored with its raw, brutal unflinching lunacy.

 

[Scorpion]

Is the idea that when we die our consciousness just ends really that awful? I've always found it a bit comforting.

I recall what was probably my first existential crisis. I was really young, probably 4 at the oldest, and the memory is fuzzy, but still emotionally powerful. My parents had just finished giving me what was supposed to be a comforting spiel about heaven and people living there forever after they die, and I suddenly found myself filled with a horror I couldn't even begin to articulate. I thought about what living forever truly meant. Just the idea of something going on forever, WITHOUT END, was terrifying to me. I started to cry and freak out, running around the house and refusing to go to bed. My folks honestly couldn't understand why I was scared. They still probably couldn't.

Funny, I was always scared of death when I was a child. But after what I have been through, the idea of permanent death does not scare me any more.

However the things I have experienced lead me to believe we survive death.
But we do not go on as we are for eternity. We incarnate many, many times in a long cycle of rebirths until reaching a perfected status of mind and spirit. Then we end our cycle of reincarnations and continue to evolve as immortal spirits. We are not ready to face eternity as the limited human beings we are now, but as enlightened beings who have reached a state of grace, we will continue to evolve in the spirit world, reaching ever higher levels of consciousness.

We are not yet at the level of maturity of soul that will come in future times, and I have heard a spirit guide say our present level of evolution is something like early childhood of the race. It may take another million years for us to be complete.

 

[Scorpion]

Well, I think a baby that dies just dies. The end. Very sad, but just the way it is. But let's go with my boyfriend's worldview for a minute, since he believes in reincarnation, and we've discussed it a number of times.

According to him, a baby that dies (or anything that dies) releases its spirit and re-joins the collective spiritual consciousness of the world. Some time later (as "time," the way we understand it, has no meaning in the spirit world), the spirit comes into something else that is being born. It could be another human baby, an animal, a plant, or whatever. It could happen instantaneously (again, from our human perspective of time), or it could happen thousands of years later. Spirits do not have "lives" and singular consciousness during that period, they are just part of a collective whole.

While there are still some obvious logical problems with this framework, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than spirit primary schools and backwards aging and whatever else you're proposing. I find your view needlessly complicated, and I almost wonder if you are joking.


ETA - At any rate, I'm glad you're feeling okay mentally now, and that you're so willing to talk about your experiences. That is valuable.

The spirits I have heard from state they survive as individuals, not as a collective. It may be that in the end of our cycle of reincarnations and after we evolve some more as immortals, we will eventually merge back into God.

But there is no place in that theory for us to regress into animals. I specifically asked a spirit guide who was speaking through a trance medium the question,' do animals evolve to become human' and she said 'no' We are all separate species that evolve to perfection in our own spiritual family. Or soul group

 

[Scorpion]

Myriad, Diseases of the brain are cured by death. The spirit mind works without physical limitations of the earthly brain.

Spirits who die remember only their last lifetime, not all their previous incarnations. Those memories are stored in the soul body, which can only be accessed when we reach an enlightened state.

We may keep getting mind wiped, but the state of evolution of our soul shines through.
I heard the spirit guide of the late medium 'Ursula Roberts' say if we remembered our past lives before we were ready it might drive us mad. We could not deal with the things we may have done. Because we have been at lower levels of spiritual evolution in past lives, and may have done things then that would horrify us now.

 

[wasapi]

I believe there are kindergarten schools in the spirit world where babies are looked after until they grow to maturity. Spirits do not remember their previous incarnations until the end of their cycle of reincarnations.

OK. I must say this: This is one of the weirdest, creepiest things I have ever heard. So, my baby granddaughter is 'up there', going to school in a classroom with other dead children? I'm now speechless.