Are we losing our minds regarding opioids?

One thing that horrifies me watching American TV is the constant reference to "Aspirin". I know it's easier to say than paracetamol here or acetaminophen there, but it's much more dangerous.

American TV uses "aspirin" generically to refer to any ordinary OTC minor pain relief pills, because Americans typically use brand names like Advil and Tylenol rather than say "ibuprofen" or "acetaminophen" and TV tends to avoid brand names outside of product placement.

Just like how about a quarter of the country uses "coke" generically to mean any kind of cola, but most TV shows won't dare the wrath of the manufacturers to depict that.
 
Dentist in America prescribe opioids at 37 times the rate of dentists in England.

Strange.

Here in Canada I've had pretty much every imaginable tooth/mouth-related operation I can think of: root canal, fillings, extraction, gum graft, debridement... and I've never had to use painkillers, despite my low pain tolerance, aside from ibuprofen.

I've only ever used painkillers for a surgery to my foot, cutting the actual flesh and burning the root of a nail. It would have been unpleasant otherwise, but tolerable.
 
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Again since:

1) The evidence is limted at best that opioids are actually any better at managing pain then traditional pain killers

and

2) Nobody can show me some epidemic of people walking around in pain in countries that don't hand opioids out like candy

I think all the "Oh but are we going go too far in the other direction!?" hand wringing can be safely shelved.
 
Again since:

1) The evidence is limted at best that opioids are actually any better at managing pain then traditional pain killers

and

2) Nobody can show me some epidemic of people walking around in pain in countries that don't hand opioids out like candy

I think all the "Oh but are we going go too far in the other direction!?" hand wringing can be safely shelved.

I wonder if the nocebo effect contributes to the opioid over-prescription.

For example, maybe it is common, but irresponsible for doctors to say something like this...

During recovery the surgeon advised me that this was going to be very painful and to "stay ahead of the pain" for a few days and sent me home with some Oxycodon or something similar. He was right, it hurt like hell once the block wore off but after a week or so I was able to control it with Extra Strength Tylenol. Problem was every visit they would ask about the pain and give me another script "just in case". I think I had one we never even filled.

If doctors are telling their patients that they are sure to be in a lot of pain following their surgery, then they are almost certainly going to be in a lot of pain.

Wouldn't it be better for them to say, "If there is pain, take this [placebo]*."

* okay, it doesn't have to be a placebo. It could be a regular strength pill with an opioid sounding name - Superdiotramamorphozam.
 
Again since:

1) The evidence is limted at best that opioids are actually any better at managing pain then traditional pain killers

and

2) Nobody can show me some epidemic of people walking around in pain in countries that don't hand opioids out like candy

I think all the "Oh but are we going go too far in the other direction!?" hand wringing can be safely shelved.
You may find this interesting: Solving the Global Crisis in Access to Pain Relief: Lessons From Country Actions

A balanced approach is necessary in designing and implementing health systems strategies to promote an understanding of medical need for and appropriate use of opioids as well as risks of nonmedical use. Two crises are under way—an opioid crisis in a few countries, including the United States, Canada, and Australia, and a global pain crisis with millions of people who have untreated pain.
 
If doctors are telling their patients that they are sure to be in a lot of pain following their surgery, then they are almost certainly going to be in a lot of pain.

Wouldn't it be better for them to say, "If there is pain, take this [placebo]*."

* okay, it doesn't have to be a placebo. It could be a regular strength pill with an opioid sounding name - Superdiotramamorphozam.

In my case it was definately painful. 4 inch incision with holes drilled for 14 screws to hold my radius bone together at the wrist. It hurt like hell when it broke and it hurt even worse to repair it. I tried to go off the opioid a couple days after the surgery and nope. Extra strength Tylenol wasn't enough. After a week or so, it was.

Hurt like hell when i started the wrist stretching exercises once the surgical cast was off too, but Tylenol took care of that. What struck us was how free they were with the Oxy scripts.

Now, I do have to admit I liked the feeling the Oxy gave me at first and was surprised at how fast my body adjusted to that. I can see how that can be easily addicting. Hence my wife closely monitoring my dosage.
 
During recovery the surgeon advised me that this was going to be very painful and to "stay ahead of the pain" for a few days and sent me home with some Oxycodon or something similar. He was right, it hurt like hell once the block wore off but after a week or so I was able to control it with Extra Strength Tylenol. Problem was every visit they would ask about the pain and give me another script "just in case". I think I had one we never even filled.


I had my lower wisdom teeth extracted about a decade and a half ago. Afterwards, I was sent home with a big bottle of Oxycodone. For wisdom teeth. The doctor's office was surprised when I called back the next day and requested a scrip for something weaker, because that stuff was just way to -ing strong for the small amount of pain I was experiencing.

Anyone familiar with Hasan Minhah's Patriot Act program on Netflix? He had a great episode on the fentanyl crisis recently. A bit longer ago, NPR did an excellent overview of the general opiod problem, and the problem of fentanyl in particular.

What it ultimately comes down to is money. The pharmaceutical industry doesn't really care about pain, they care about selling drug, and they went about it very much like the street drug dealers do. They knew their product was addicting, and they knowingly took advantage of that fact to increase sales. They deliberately created a population of junkies, just like any back-alley pusher.

When the potent natural opiods like Oxycontin weren't doing it anymore, they started pushing the really potent synthetics like fentanyl. Fentanyl was created and approved originally and exclusively for late-stage cancer patients. Period. Then the industry lobbied very hard, spending tens of millions of dollars in the process, to get it approved for a much wider range of pain control, essentially putting it in the same category as Oxy and Hydrocodone, and prescribed nearly as frequently; despite being 100 times more potent than morphine (50 times more potent than heroin).

Fentanyl is now responsible for about two-thirds of all opiod overdose deaths, including roughly half of all prescription opiod overdoses. (That's what killed musician Tom Petty, an accidental overdose on legally-prescribed fentanyl, prescribed for his hip fracture.)

The medical industry is finally starting to wise up and crack down on fentanyl prescription, and manufacturers of opiods have been fined and sued for millions of dollars for their role in pushing opiods. But it's too little, too late. Fentanyl is cheap and easy to produce, and the extremely high potency makes it much easier to smuggle (lower volumes for the same dose means less bulk to conceal). As a result, cheap Chinese-manufactured fentanyl has flooded the black market and doesn't look to be going away anytime soon.

And if that's not bad enough, the FDA has recently approved a new drug, sufentanil (trade name Dsuvia), an opiod drug 10 times stronger than fentanyl; despite strong opposition and criticism. It was originally intended exclusively for military use, but that didn't last long. So far, it has only been approved for acute pain management in a hospital setting, much like fentanyl originally was. It's not available in retail pharmacies, but that is just likely a matter of time as drug companies push to increase sales of the still-patented drug.

Get ready for a whole new wave of addiction and death.
 
The solution to that is to eat before taking the thing.


No, it really isn't. For some people, NSAIDs affect them severely regardless of how they're taken. And deadrose's later father having been a doctor, she's well aware of how to manage her medication.

Personally ibuprofen doesn't cause me any stomach issues.


Bully for you. Other people aren't so lucky. Myself included.
 

From what i read that was mostly, if not completely, about what developing countries can do to avoid an "opioid epidemic" while at the same time developing their peoples access to healthcare, including pain medication.

It's not because of lack of funds or a public healthcare system that Sweden dispenses far less opioids that America does, taking into account the large difference in population.
 
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Fentanyl is now responsible for about two-thirds of all opiod overdose deaths, including roughly half of all prescription opiod overdoses. (That's what killed musician Tom Petty, an accidental overdose on legally-prescribed fentanyl, prescribed for his hip fracture.)

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Prince also died of an accidental overdose of fentanyl.
 
No, it really isn't.

What are you talking about? Doctors always tell us to eat before taking the thing. It's also written on the label. What's your evidence that the medical opinion on this is wrong?

For some people, NSAIDs affect them severely regardless of how they're taken.

There are exceptions to every rule but as I often say it doesn't negate the rule.

Bully for you. Other people aren't so lucky. Myself included.

I know that. I was just commenting on how it oddly doesn't affect me.
 
It's almost as if medicine shouldn't be a for-profit industry, and providing healthcare should be a higher priority than making money! Nah, that can't be right.
 
The solution to that is to eat before taking the thing.

Personally ibuprofen doesn't cause me any stomach issues.

You might want to read up on the mechanism of NSAID effectiveness, prostaglandin inhibition and its effects on stomach lining.

Ordinary NSAIDs, I can take about 3 OTC-level doses in a row before my stomach rebels. Stomach-sparing NSAIDs like Relafen give me 3 days. The only ones I can take for longer periods are the cox-2 inhibitors, and most of them were removed from the market. The rest are only prescribed for certain conditions, and require prior approval from my insurance.

The dentist wanted me to take 600 mg doses of ibuprofen, 3 times the normal OTC dose. For me this means the second dose felt like I ate Wolverine alive, because of the prostaglandin inhibition. If I didn't eat beforehand I'd have been vomiting from the 1st dose on, not a good idea after oral surgery.

This is a problem for a lot of people, so please don't assume that your stomach is the standard.

And to bring this back on topic, my medication of choice if I could choose what works best for me? Two tablets of Tylenol #3 (at 1 tablet per dose) for the first hours after the surgery, followed by Tylenol #2 for the remainder of the 2 following days. After that, OTC.

I think that US culture has set up the conditions for the opioid epidemic, not by their attitude towards controlling pain, but by their attitude towards illness. When you have no paid "sick days" available, like most lower-wage jobs, and there's nobody to cover you if you do take time off, you just medicate yourself into a semblance of functionality and stagger into work. This happens even with most contagious illnesses, which does a wonderful job of spreading them. And with pain, you just take a pill and keep going.

This has been ongoing for much longer than the 1990's. Working at my dad's office in the 70's and 80's, there were always people asking for pain meds for their back pain so they could keep working, because they couldn't afford unpaid time off. They couldn't afford taking time off for physical therapy either, so they just kept working injured until they couldn't. Then, the ones that had gotten their doctors to prescribe liberally had a serious problem. US healthcare insurance being through one's employer, they hit the trifecta. No job/income, no healthcare, and a habit. This is also the group that's had the highest increase in suicides.
 
It's almost as if medicine shouldn't be a for-profit industry, and providing healthcare should be a higher priority than making money! Nah, that can't be right.

Pure heresy against capitalism that is. It is about making money and there is no more worthy goal than that, so sacrifices must be made for such profits.

The PROFITS Demand HUMAN SACRIFICE!!!!!!!!!!!
 
You might want to read up on the mechanism of NSAID effectiveness, prostaglandin inhibition and its effects on stomach lining.

Sorry, what does that have to do with what I said, and could you tell me what you mean, rather than tell me to look it up?

Ordinary NSAIDs, I can take about 3 OTC-level doses in a row before my stomach rebels. Stomach-sparing NSAIDs like Relafen give me 3 days. The only ones I can take for longer periods are the cox-2 inhibitors, and most of them were removed from the market. The rest are only prescribed for certain conditions, and require prior approval from my insurance.

I'm not denying any effects it has on you, regardless of any it has on me. I'm simply pointing out the standard stated solution. I'm not expecting people to take ibuprofen long-term. Use as needed, and such.

This is a problem for a lot of people, so please don't assume that your stomach is the standard.

Where did I do that? Does simply mentioning my own situation do this? You've read something into my post that isn't there.

The reason I brought it up is because eating or not makes no difference to me so I can't speak to the efficacy of this solution. I can only report what the label, and doctors, say.
 
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