The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[LondonJohn]

Maybe that's where your faulty reasoning lies. You imagine, 'I wouldn't have committed such a terrible crime' and extrapolate from that that Knox is just like you as she is from Seattle and you are from nearby Iowa.

Look, read her early essays posted on MySpace. She writes in graphic detail about murdering 'chicks' and their getting it in the neck.

Koko saw her lying in wait by the bins.

She was after Mez - thought the better-looking, cleverer, taller, with handsome ski-ing boyfriend whom she herself had fancied - with a vengeance consumed with her angry belief Mez had 'stolen her job', never mind her 'boyfriend'(all in her mind), not to mention avoiding Knox like the plague over Halloween and not inviting Ms Billy-No-Mates to join her group for partying, Mez being highly popular and Knox not at all.

Wow.

A psychiatrist would, I have no doubt, be able to draw all sorts of inferences about the sort of mind that had invented this latest twisted (and, as usual, evidence-free) fantasy. And I'm equally sure the term "projection" would feature highly in that psychiatrist's conclusions.

 

[Stacyhs]

Wow.

A psychiatrist would, I have no doubt, be able to draw all sorts of inferences about the sort of mind that had invented this latest twisted (and, as usual, evidence-free) fantasy. And I'm equally sure the term "projection" would feature highly in that psychiatrist's conclusions.

My favorites were the highlighted parts:

Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Maybe that's where your faulty reasoning lies. You imagine, 'I wouldn't have committed such a terrible crime' and extrapolate from that that Knox is just like you as she is from Seattle and you are from nearby Iowa. Look, read her early essays posted on MySpace. She writes in graphic detail about murdering 'chicks' and their getting it in the neck.
Koko saw her lying in wait by the bins.
She was after Mez - thought the better-looking, cleverer, taller, with handsome ski-ing boyfriend whom she herself had fancied - with a vengeance consumed with her angry belief Mez had 'stolen her job', never mind her 'boyfriend'(all in her mind), not to mention avoiding Knox like the plague over Halloween and not inviting Ms Billy-No-Mates to join her group for partying, Mez being highly popular and Knox not at all.

Oh, dear....did I just highlight 95% of Vix's post?

Oops.. that's Vix' as in Vix' Big Blue Book of Erroneous Punctuation.

 

[LondonJohn]

My favorites were the highlighted parts:




Oh, dear....did I just highlight 95% of Vix's post?

Oops.. that's Vix' as in Vix' Big Blue Book of Erroneous Punctuation.

The box' insides (when Sollecito's knife was placed into it) were far from sterile.

The double helix' gene arrangements (in respect of Kercher's alleged DNA on Sollecito's knife) were utterly unreliable and non-credible.

The fox' provenance (in respect of the "Foxy Knoxy" nickname) had everything to do with her mid-teen footballer identity, and nothing to do with anything sexual.

The Minx' attempts to mislead the court over the handing over of the raw DNA control data (I like to call Comodi "The Minx" because, well, she just acts like a minx) were risible and unlawful.


Can I submit these for entry into the Big Blue Book as well?!

 

[Stacyhs]

I am rarely wrong as my assertions are based on well-founded facts or sources.

You can't even admit that something so inconsequential as writing Vix' is incorrect. You've been given the correct way to form such a possessive (Vix's) from a BRITISH site, yet you continue to use Vix'.

You can't admit that Sollecito is not left-handed, that he did not own a Napapijri jacket or that no white cap with a red band was found by the police in his apartment. You can't admit that negative TMB tests prove all those luminol revealed footprints were not in blood. You can't admit that no blood on the knife indicates it was not the murder weapon. You cannot admit that finding the Y DNA of 3 other men on the bra hook indicates contamination. You cannot admit that Knox and Sollecito would have gotten rid of the bath mat, or at least washed it, if that footprint belonged to Sollecito instead of pointing it out to the police. You cannot admit that Kokomani's story was ridiculous even though he claimed to see some something that was impossible (Knox and her uncle in Perugia before she ever arrived there). You cannot admit that Kercher's alleged DNA on the knife was impossible considering the complete lack of blood on the knife which could only have been accomplished by soaking it in bleach, thus destroying any DNA. You cannot admit that NO ONE ever reported any arguments or even raised words between Knox and Kercher or Knox ever having said a negative word about Kercher. Hell, you can't even admit that Knox was a freaking SUSPECT, not merely a 'witness' before she ever set foot in that questura on Nov. 5 even though Mignini and the police have admitted she was. Give me a break that you are 'rarely wrong'. Only narcissists think they're rarely wrong.

 

[LondonJohn]

Of course not. The great thing about the flight is while the press were able to get seats on the large plane, they didn't get near Amanda. They really wasted their time and money.

And of course it didn't take rocket scientists within the media to figure out that once they knew Knox and her family had travelled to Rome and had boarded a morning BA Rome-London flight, the overwhelming likelihood (given a cursory examination of the London-Seattle flights timetable for later that same day) was that Knox was going to be on that specific LHR-SEA flight (which was a BA flight with an American codeshare - I've been on that exact flight a few times). Though I imagine that at least a few of the media operators would have planned to put other reporters onto other LHR-SEA flights as well, as a contingency.

As I say, it didn't take rocket scientists in the media to figure this out very easily. But I can fully understand how most of the pro-guilt community wouldn't have been able to figure it out for themselves.......

 

[acbytesla]

My favorites were the highlighted parts:

Oh, dear....did I just highlight 95% of Vix's post?

Oops.. that's Vix' as in Vix' Big Blue Book of Erroneous Punctuation.

I really like that Vixen calls Iowa nearby. Only 1559 miles from Seattle to Sioux City which is in the NW corner of Iowa. That's 2508 Kilometers. 700 more kilometers further than it is between London and Rome. I drove it last year.

 

[Stacyhs]

The box' insides (when Sollecito's knife was placed into it) were far from sterile.

The double helix' gene arrangements (in respect of Kercher's alleged DNA on Sollecito's knife) were utterly unreliable and non-credible.

The fox' provenance (in respect of the "Foxy Knoxy" nickname) had everything to do with her mid-teen footballer identity, and nothing to do with anything sexual.

The Minx' attempts to mislead the court over the handing over of the raw DNA control data (I like to call Comodi "The Minx" because, well, she just acts like a minx) were risible and unlawful.


Can I submit these for entry into the Big Blue Book as well?!

Certainly. But I'm sure Vix will be along any time now with a source supporting her claim that a word ending in X can be made a possessive by merely adding an apostrophe to the X.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm usually mad when I find myself responding to Vixen. That is mad at myself. I know her nonsense doesn't matter and somehow she suckered me down her rabbit hole. I'm still a little curious about Amanda and Raffaele and how it all turns out. I use to worry more about Amanda as she always seemed more vulnerable, but now I worry more about Raffaele.

And here we are talking about money. Imagine how hard this would have been if the two didn't have the resources to fight this injustice? I know if this had happened to me I would have been screwed. It's unfair that the government doesn't reimburse them. The measly amount the ECHR awarded Amanda is nothing in the scheme of things.

Maybe that's where your faulty reasoning lies. You imagine, 'I wouldn't have committed such a terrible crime' and extrapolate from that that Knox is just like you as she is from Seattle and you are from nearby Iowa.
>snip for irrelevancy<

Vixen, could you please point out to me exactly where acbytesla said anything close to 'I wouldn't have committed such a terrible crime' or even mentioned Seattle or Iowa? I'd like to see exactly how your brain works and derives any of that from what acbytesla actually said. I imagine it looks something like this:

 

[acbytesla]

And of course it didn't take rocket scientists within the media to figure out that once they knew Knox and her family had travelled to Rome and had boarded a morning BA Rome-London flight, the overwhelming likelihood (given a cursory examination of the London-Seattle flights timetable for later that same day) was that Knox was going to be on that specific LHR-SEA flight (which was a BA flight with an American codeshare - I've been on that exact flight a few times). Though I imagine that at least a few of the media operators would have planned to put other reporters onto other LHR-SEA flights as well, as a contingency.

As I say, it didn't take rocket scientists in the media to figure this out very easily. But I can fully understand how most of the pro-guilt community wouldn't have been able to figure it out for themselves.......

It really is kind of amazing many in the press did just that. Last minute tickets are expensive. And for what? Did any of them really expect to get some kind of exclusive? What I loved at the time was how the media really got nowhere near Amanda for quite a while.

They were able to leave in vans using the tarmac so the press couldn't follow in cars. There were also local tv news helicopters following the vans and they were able to ditch the choppers by some kind of switch under a freeway overpass. The vans also split up and yet when they got back to the Knox and separate Mellas residences Amanda was nowhere to be found.

That was slick.

 

[acbytesla]

Vixen, could you please point out to me exactly where acbytesla said anything close to 'I wouldn't have committed such a terrible crime' or even mentioned Seattle or Iowa? I'd like to see exactly how your brain works and derives any of that from what acbytesla actually said. I imagine it looks something like this:

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I must have said I was from Iowa sometime in the past. I give Vixen kudos for remembering that. But I don't know why it was worth mentioning. I have lived in and around Seattle most of life though.

 

[LondonJohn]

It really is kind of amazing many in the press did just that. Last minute tickets are expensive. And for what? Did any of them really expect to get some kind of exclusive? What I loved at the time was how the media really got nowhere near Amanda for quite a while.

They were able to leave in vans using the tarmac so the press couldn't follow in cars. There were also local tv news helicopters following the vans and they were able to ditch the choppers by some kind of switch under a freeway overpass. The vans also split up and yet when they got back to the Knox and separate Mellas residences Amanda was nowhere to be found.

That was slick.

No, but but but..... Knox and her family were positively COURTING press attention! That's what Vixen said, and - as she herself reminded us - she is "rarely wrong as (her) assertions are based on well-founded facts or sources". I'm similarly confused as to why Knox and her family chose not to engage with those reporters who had got onto the LHR-SEA flight - per Vixen's "rarely wrong and "well-founded facts or sources" assertion, Knox and family should have been absolutely clamouring to talk with those reporters in-flight.

So, yeah, I'm baffled. I mean, it seems hugely unlikely (at the very least) that Vixen could be wrong about this, since she told us how rarely she is wrong, and how her assertions are based on well-founded facts or sources. But yet the actual evidence on this issue seems to indicate the complete OPPOSITE of what Vixen asserts.

Oh well, at least now I know what cognitive dissonance feels like.....

 

[LondonJohn]

I must have said I was from Iowa sometime in the past. I give Vixen kudos for remembering that. But I don't know why it was worth mentioning. I have lived in and around Seattle most of life though.

Kudos, or intermediate-level cyberstalking......?

I seem to remember how a number of pro-guilt commentators in the past used to cut/paste quotes by certain pro-acquittal/pro-innocence commentators (with the dates of posting) and save them to their own files - all so that they could pull them back up easily at some point in the future and/or use them for their own *ahem* "activities". That's some level of obsessive/weird.


ETA: I'm guessing you like corn in all its glorious forms.......

 

[Stacyhs]

Kudos, or intermediate-level cyberstalking......?

I seem to remember how a number of pro-guilt commentators in the past used to cut/paste quotes by certain pro-acquittal/pro-innocence commentators (with the dates of posting) and save them to their own files - all so that they could pull them back up easily at some point in the future and/or use them for their own *ahem* "activities". That's some level of obsessive/weird.

ETA: I'm guessing you like corn in all its glorious forms.......

And I'm going to do exactly that! Call it obsessive, call it weird. I call it using her own words against her which, I'll admit, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure from doing.

 

[acbytesla]

No, but but but..... Knox and her family were positively COURTING press attention! That's what Vixen said, and - as she herself reminded us - she is "rarely wrong as (her) assertions are based on well-founded facts or sources". I'm similarly confused as to why Knox and her family chose not to engage with those reporters who had got onto the LHR-SEA flight - per Vixen's "rarely wrong and "well-founded facts or sources" assertion, Knox and family should have been absolutely clamouring to talk with those reporters in-flight.

So, yeah, I'm baffled. I mean, it seems hugely unlikely (at the very least) that Vixen could be wrong about this, since she told us how rarely she is wrong, and how her assertions are based on well-founded facts or sources. But yet the actual evidence on this issue seems to indicate the complete OPPOSITE of what Vixen asserts.

Oh well, at least now I know what cognitive dissonance feels like.....

The press never spoke to Amanda or anyone in the family on the plane. The press conference at the airport when Amanda arrived lasted under 5 minutes and included multiple requests to be left alone.. Amanda spoke for less than a minute. And with local tv cameras pointed at their home in West Seattle a representative for the family again asked the press to let them get back to normal.

That's how much they courted the press.

 

[Bill Williams]

What nonsense. There was zero sign of a burglary attempt.

What is the matter with you? Of course there was evidence of a burglary. Even the cops, the PM, and convicting courts conceded that. With no forensics to back it up, indeed no investigation whatsoever of their claim, the cops, the PM, and the convicting courts called evidence of a break-in staged.

The most ludicrous part of the PM's factoid-based narrative, was claiming that AK and RS had tried to frame Guede with the "fake" break-in, but then ruined all of that by days' later accusing Lumumba.

Neither Mignini nor guilter-nutters could explain why at times Knox had to have been a master criminal, yet at other times a klutzy buffoon.

 

[Stacyhs]

What is the matter with you? Of course there was evidence of a burglary. Even the cops, the PM, and convicting courts conceded that. With no forensics to back it up, indeed no investigation whatsoever of their claim, the cops, the PM, and the convicting courts called evidence of a break-in staged.

The most ludicrous part of the PM's factoid-based narrative, was claiming that AK and RS had tried to frame Guede with the "fake" break-in, but then ruined all of that by days' later accusing Lumumba.

Neither Mignini nor guilter-nutters could explain why at times Knox had to have been a master criminal, yet at other times a klutzy buffoon.

Don't forget that Knox was simultaneously covering for Guede AND setting him up to take the fall.

 

[Matthew Best]

I am rarely wrong as my assertions are based on well-founded facts or sources.

Guess I'll be waiting for some considerable time.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

There is zero forensic evidence of Guede in that room.

Vixen logic!! Love it.

I think most people believe that a rock thrown through a second floor window is evidence of a burglary. Particularly when in the next room there was DNA evidence of the exact same burglar everywhere next to the dead body. And that same burglar with the same DNA broke into a building shortly prior by throwing a rock through a second floor window. And that same burglar with the same DNA evidence admitted to his friend over Skype that he was at the crime scene when Meredith died.

Of course this isn't evidence of a pagan sex orgy murder orchestrated by she-devil Knox, so the above counts as "zero evidence" to our resident mensa member.

The rest of your post is entirely fabricated from oddly interpreted tabloid stories from 2007 (you've actually managed to exaggerate evidence you obtained from tabloid stories... wtf) and I think you're getting story lines confused with your favorite soap opera this week.

 

[bagels]

There is zero forensic evidence of Guede in that room.

A good qualifier since there's direct evidence of him in that room, his own testimony

 

[whoanellie]

I must have said I was from Iowa sometime in the past. I give Vixen kudos for remembering that. But I don't know why it was worth mentioning. I have lived in and around Seattle most of life though.

Are you suggesting Vixen was correct about something?